Principles of Liberty

The principles of liberty are what our founders believed our country should follow. They are from direct quotes of theirs. Are we following their direction?

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[OskyATL]

/watch?v=ewwWM4psFo8

he pretty much lies out of his ass. continue on with your revisionists agenda

[starfleetofficer1]

@OskyATL I will say one more thing and then I'm going to stop wasting my time. Your entire argument has been against the founding fathers being religious. You didn't say anything about the principles of liberty, which is what this video is actually about. Do you disagree with the principles of liberty? I think you do, because you think the ten commandments are crap, according to what you said earlier. If that is the case, then we can go no further. But I suggest you read the 5000 year leap.

[starfleetofficer1]

@OskyATL My source is primary documents posted by a man you accuse of lying but show no actual evidence, just interpretations of documents. Thomas Jefferson carried around a Bible with Jesus' sayings and that one document isn't the only time he referred to Christ. That's pretty respectful if you ask me.

[OskyATL]

There is something that is not so apparent in this country, and that is the attack on academia. and it comes from one place. The Christian Revisionists. I have purposely stayed away from saying what my political ideology is, but I can immediately tell you I'm not democrat or "left wing" like you most likely think. You don't understand rhetoric and it's impact, you simply fall for all the incendiary language that's is used purposely to trap people in conspiracy thoughts.

[OskyATL]

child...I knew of barton before this conversation with you. I already entertained everything barton had to offer...he's a liar. and you can buy it all day long. Jefferson wasn't a Christian like you previously thought. Paine released a BOOK about how implausible the bible was...that means you can go read it yourself. I know enough about barton and all you've done is repeat his rhetoric. If you're trying to say being lied to is that same as information simply being omitted, that's a big stretch.

[OskyATL]

what I find so confusing with so many people is that, if I was to use a source from a person that their political and religious bias was so apparent they would be disregarded immediately. But In your situation, you disregard the fact that Barton has republican supporters, does sermons for churches, and visits many churches just to teach about the bible and government. Can you name ONE historian that comes even close to that sort of bias?

[OskyATL]

5. your contingency that barton is correct is that the ENTIRE institution of Professors and Scholars is some conspiracy to promote left wing agenda's and ideology. Which is really absurb because if you started to read different works of different professors and scholars you would find somethings they disagree on. The most simplest answer is obvious, there is no conspiracy...Barton is just a liar.

[OskyATL]

1. your main source is a MAN who is known for lying.

2. you said Thomas Jefferson was a Christian, since then you've changed that stance and said he "respected" Christianity, even though I don't see any evidence.

3. I used the exact same documents with supplemental information to "debunk" the "year of our lord" and no refutation on your part.

4. Your source that most of the founding fathers were Christian is by Barton...no one else

[starfleetofficer1]

@starfleetofficer1 When we stop following the founding fathers, who a majority of which were Christian, and almost all of which respected the Judeo-Christian value system, then we will cease to be a Judeo-Christian nation. What I find obnoxious is that people like you present themselves as free-thinking and then are unwilling to entertain the possibility that what you were taught may be wrong. You look at pieces of paper as the end-all determination of intelligence.

[starfleetofficer1]

@starfleetofficer1 Just look at primary documents. Don't use the Treaty of Tripoli, it's been argued a billion times by people just like you who never look further into what that conflict was about or why politicians may say things they don't mean, or what meaning it might have. They were trying to get the pirates to stop attacking them. We are not a nation run by the Christian church but we are a Judeo-Christian nation. When most of our people are Muslim, we'll be a Muslim nation.