Championship. Apr. 5, 1915. Oriental Park, Havana, Cuba. Джек Джонсон против Джесса Уилларда, 5 апреля 1915 г., 1, 10, 25 и 26-ой раунды, поражение Джонсона в 26-ом раунде (KO).
@Johnl1800 Those NY fighters were fighting for pennys. Naturally they all had to fight very often. There's more value in everything now though. No one wants to go back to every boxer in the world except for 8 making pennys. We're more evolved. Clearly Mayweather's pay-per-views records show how much less money is worth, not proof he is the most popular ever. Boxing may have been more popular then, but consider how many people would be willing to get their face bashed for so little.
As far as mma goes there really isn't any amateur circuit to compete in. I used to tell guys that they needed to start by competing in grappling tournaments for a while so that they could get comp.experience in a fairly safe environment. This used to weed out most of the fakers who like the idea of competing and eventually fighting mma but disliked the reality of actually training for it. If they couldn't mentally handle the pressure of a grappling tournament even thinking about mma was out.
As far as even trying by turning pro, you can tell right away some guys just don't have it(physically or mentally) and shouldn't bother. In boxing today if you don't have a solid amateur background you'll never make it. The days where you could turn pro at 18 and spend years learning your trade competing in 4, 6, and 8 round preliminary fights are long over since there just aren't enough active boxers or fights being held anymore to go that route.
@crowley0312 "There are thousands and thousands in each division."
Most of these guys are technically "active" because they maybe had one fight a year or two ago and have maybe 10 fights total. Most people don't realize the simple staggering amount of boxing that was being staged years ago. There was a time that New York state alone held more fights in 1 year than are held worldwide in 1 year today. NY state alone had more licensed boxers than are licensed worldwide today also.
Usually a guy gets one good run at the top ten/winning a title but you never know. Sometimes you get a guy that everyone has written off like Jersey Joe Walcott who eventually turns it around. Everybody fights fairly easy opposition on the way up but you'll find out whether or not you have what it takes when you eventually have to up the level of your opposition and start fighting guys who can actually fight back and don't fall down the first time that you hit them.
I've seen many athletic guys whom were terrible because that lacked the necessary boxing talent, couldn't take a punch, weren't mentally tough etc.. There have been many great boxing champions were not particularly gifted athletes. When you occasionally get guys like Ali and Robinson who were both gifted, athletic, iron willed etc. is when you have something really special.
@crowley0312 It's hard to say since exactly since there are so many factors involved, receiving the proper training, effective management, work ethic, mental toughness and discipline etc. Many a potential champion was ruined by improper handling/matchmaking. Also boxing is unlike other sports in that to really go anywhere you have to have the natural talent which I compare to being able to sing or dance. It's different from raw athleticism.
@Johnl1800 True, this is not an easy sport to achieve much in. Also, I don't think you realize how long there has been more than one belt. There has been two belts forever. Most of the past lower division champions only held the BA or BC belts. And out of curiosity, when would you say it becomes clear you have the talent to be a world class fighter?
Round 26.... dang thats a long fight...
MrMooWho 6 days ago
johnson and his racism ran into a BIG WHITE MAN and got his ass kayo'd. muhahahahaha.
AntiFeminaziMale 2 weeks ago
@Johnl1800 Those NY fighters were fighting for pennys. Naturally they all had to fight very often. There's more value in everything now though. No one wants to go back to every boxer in the world except for 8 making pennys. We're more evolved. Clearly Mayweather's pay-per-views records show how much less money is worth, not proof he is the most popular ever. Boxing may have been more popular then, but consider how many people would be willing to get their face bashed for so little.
crowley0312 1 month ago
As far as mma goes there really isn't any amateur circuit to compete in. I used to tell guys that they needed to start by competing in grappling tournaments for a while so that they could get comp.experience in a fairly safe environment. This used to weed out most of the fakers who like the idea of competing and eventually fighting mma but disliked the reality of actually training for it. If they couldn't mentally handle the pressure of a grappling tournament even thinking about mma was out.
Johnl1800 1 month ago
As far as even trying by turning pro, you can tell right away some guys just don't have it(physically or mentally) and shouldn't bother. In boxing today if you don't have a solid amateur background you'll never make it. The days where you could turn pro at 18 and spend years learning your trade competing in 4, 6, and 8 round preliminary fights are long over since there just aren't enough active boxers or fights being held anymore to go that route.
Johnl1800 1 month ago
@crowley0312 "There are thousands and thousands in each division."
Most of these guys are technically "active" because they maybe had one fight a year or two ago and have maybe 10 fights total. Most people don't realize the simple staggering amount of boxing that was being staged years ago. There was a time that New York state alone held more fights in 1 year than are held worldwide in 1 year today. NY state alone had more licensed boxers than are licensed worldwide today also.
Johnl1800 1 month ago
Usually a guy gets one good run at the top ten/winning a title but you never know. Sometimes you get a guy that everyone has written off like Jersey Joe Walcott who eventually turns it around. Everybody fights fairly easy opposition on the way up but you'll find out whether or not you have what it takes when you eventually have to up the level of your opposition and start fighting guys who can actually fight back and don't fall down the first time that you hit them.
Johnl1800 1 month ago
I've seen many athletic guys whom were terrible because that lacked the necessary boxing talent, couldn't take a punch, weren't mentally tough etc.. There have been many great boxing champions were not particularly gifted athletes. When you occasionally get guys like Ali and Robinson who were both gifted, athletic, iron willed etc. is when you have something really special.
Johnl1800 1 month ago
@crowley0312 It's hard to say since exactly since there are so many factors involved, receiving the proper training, effective management, work ethic, mental toughness and discipline etc. Many a potential champion was ruined by improper handling/matchmaking. Also boxing is unlike other sports in that to really go anywhere you have to have the natural talent which I compare to being able to sing or dance. It's different from raw athleticism.
Johnl1800 1 month ago
@Johnl1800 True, this is not an easy sport to achieve much in. Also, I don't think you realize how long there has been more than one belt. There has been two belts forever. Most of the past lower division champions only held the BA or BC belts. And out of curiosity, when would you say it becomes clear you have the talent to be a world class fighter?
crowley0312 1 month ago