R.C. Sproul - Did God ordain the fall?

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[apollos6640]

@99BAKI99 "Before God saved me..." what do you mean "Before"? Calvinism teaches that you were Predestined for Salvation "BEFORE having done anything either good or bad in order that Gods Purpose of Election might Continue, not because of WORKS but because of Him who CALLS" , Calvinism teaches that applying your own Faith in Christ is a "work", to be consistent you should be saying, "Before I had known I was ELECTED, CREATED & PREDESTINED for salvation there was no righteousness within me..."

[99BAKI99]

@apollos6640 . . . My name was written in the lamb's book before the foundation of the earth. You are correct. I was, however, not born saved. I was born into sin and God the Holy Spirit had to change my heart. I was born elect, but not yet saved. It is an absolute certainty that God's elect will be saved.

[apollos6640]

@99BAKI99 in Calvinism, because of Adams Fall, the vast majority enter into this Earth CONDEMNED and PREDESTINED for Damnation having being knit together by God as defective merchandize in the womb, having NOTHING to do with their "Sins", others are "regenerated" for Glory, BOTH are Sovereingly Elected for either Destiny for "His good pleasure". Even R.C claims to not being able to understand how this is 'Merciful or Just", however, Equal Ultimacy is a Calvinian doctrine, not a Biblical one.

[99BAKI99]

@apollos6640 . . . The bible is clear that not a vast majority are going to hell but all are. That is the starting point for all mankind. We are all born into sin.

The biblical message is clear that unless the Holy Spirit regenerates a person we are and will remain spiritually dead.

[apollos6640]

@99BAKI99 "When I get to heaven if someone were to ask me how did I get here, I will only be able to say by the work of Jesus Christ. God is glorified." You mean ELECTION. You're in heaven because you were CHOSEN for heaven BEFORE doing anything either good or bad. And what about those that are in Hell? You're theology teaches that they are in Hell because they were Created DEAD in the Womb and were PREDESTINED for Hell, having nothing to do w/ "sin". Do you really think that's "Justice"

[99BAKI99]

@apollos6640 . . . not my theology - biblical theology. We are all born into sin, commit sin, and all deserve death - Justice.

Before God saved me, there was no island of righteousness within me, I was dead to the core - this is the consistent biblical message. My salvation is of God ALONE. To God by ALL glory.

[lezzgetit]

now thats how to answer a question

[ndzoko]

@polopowers1 What silly incomprehensible, bulls... God seems to be your buddy from highschool. You know exactly how he is, what he desires, what he does etc. Congrats.

[polopowers1]

God's glory is innate protruding from Himself. He does not bring glory to Himself it is innate perpetuating self existing glory.The Glory Is. So the glory becomes but God does not bring glory to Himself He exercises His glory to and from Himself How can God stop what he ordained? Adam ate both good and evil not evil alone, they ate equal good and evil knowledge.God does not veto man's will because all is ordained before hand. There is no human freedom bumping into God's freedom.God is free alone

[MrCominskie]

It is entirely impossible to come to Calvinism by reading the Bible.

[apollos6640]

@brianebarlett73 I see.

ALL are Puppets at the hands of the SOVEREIGN PUPPETMASTER, due 2 Adams sin, all have their strings cut-off--yet R commanded 2 move, but due 2 their INABILITY 2 move, they R HATED by him and 4ordained 2B burned forever to show his 'Justice', but here's the Mystery revealed, some of these fallen puppets have an "E" initialed on their Backs which ='grace', the PuppetMaster EFFICACIUOSLY regenerates their Strings, re-attaching them 2 Himself where He moves them & R saved.

[brianebartlett73]

@apollos6640 Romans 5:12 above does not contradict what God has said previously concerning fathers and sons not bearing one another's PUNISHMENT. That is not what this verse is saying. Death is a direct result of one man's SIN. Adam's. Adam DIED because he sinned. Death has now come to all people because all of Adam's decedent's have a sinful father from whom they get their sinful nature (the will to sin) this will is not free. It only obeys the desire to sin leading to death.