Some interesting Air Traffic Control Conversations

An Alitalia 767 diverts to Boston, a "crowbar" approach into JFK, a near miss at JFK, an Air Jamaica with gear problems. Recordings from liveatc.net

Information about the near miss at JFK on December 10th, 2007 can be found on multiple sites - try the ones below:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_ahdSJmIbTEPnvCrD0mbEyI;jsessionid=...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22216364/
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/304277-eva-jfk-near-miss-really.html

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• Jamaica
• Alitalia
• 767
• gear
• landing
• emergency
• diversion
• JFK
• BOS
• crowbar
• approach
• departure

[airman01991]

he said "may i have number of souls on board and fuel remaining in hours" not analysis and he said 7000 at the start not 11

[kenadamsusa]

@airman01991

It's 11000. I am sure of that: besides, why would the controller clear the Alitalia to descend to 7000 at the end of the clip if the plane had already been at that altitude.

The fuel remaining in hours is noted in green above the subtitle. Had you not noticed that?

[xliver4]

i dont get the near miss one. How was it a near miss?

[kenadamsusa]

@xliver4 Two planes were landing on different, but perpendicular runways. Both aircraft elected to go around and crossed paths, missing each other by seconds. It is reported that American Eagle actually took evasive action: not sure if that was to avoid a collision or to avoid the wake turbulence of the 747 that had just intersected its flight path.

[Imprezaman555]

@kenadamsusa surely you mean the paths of the runways intersected, not the runways themselves. that would be extremely dangerous to even have planes landing on two intersecting runways at the same time.

[kenadamsusa]

@Imprezaman555

I have added some links to the video description for your perusal. The National Air Traffic Controllers Association, A Senator, and the FAA all agree that those two planes were landing on perpendicular runways at the same time. Whether the runways can be considered "intersecting" appears to be subject to interpretation (the FAA claimed they don't) though any map of the airport will show that runways 13L and 22L do intersect. Check the links and let me know.

[cameron91101]

Air jamaica dude was funny its all good mun just lit a fatty and everything seems a ok we can always reroute to miami oh yeah we're GOOD!

[sonygvf]

You have to be impressed with the professionalism shown by these guys.

[oktal3700]

@kenadamsusa A quick look on both AirNav and Google Maps shows that while 13L and 22L are obviously perpendicular, they clearly do not intersect.

[abcas1990]

@MrGrevy they don't count gingers

[mariodidier001]

@HesseJamez In spanish that thing is called "pata de cabra", lit. goat leg XD

[bv90andy]

interesting indeed.

[MrGrevy]

"Air Jamaica with gear problems" Gee, what a surprise.

[MrGrevy]

@lonedoghowling You think unions promote safety and efficiency? On what planet? Delusional moron.

[MrGrevy]

When they say "souls on board" do they count minorities?

[HesseJamez]

In german language a crowbar was a "cowfoot" in literal translation *lol*

[lonedoghowling]

Never listened to this stuff before. Sudden understanding of the stress.

I bet throwing out the union really helped a lot. Screw safety though. GOP is all about ideas.

[coudu8ed]

@BWEEBLAST not a bad career, you can make good amount of money, plus re-enlisting bonuses are generous. If done with military you can always work contract or for the faa. either way good money