@hananokuni2580 I'm pleased you joined in. I admire your ability to state it so clearly. Simply put, harmony is strength. Harmony is diminished when wood (or anything) is handled with disregard for its intrinsic quality. This understanding of a material, along with skill, is what defines a craftsman.
And yes, often it seems the important things are better understood by children. And then there are the adults who lose the ability to see as a child does.
@1Jejunum Each piece of wood is different and has its own story to tell. It is the responsibility of the woodworker to listen closely. Eventually a deep knowledge of wood is acquired and this translates into VERY high standards of workmanship. Ultimately if this means a stronger, safer house structure, all that extra money is worth it (^^)
In closing, we should know that intrinsic benefits often surpass extrinsic ones. Normally young children understand this better than adults (- -)
@1Jejunum I'm not a daiku practitioner, but I once practiced judo and there are philosophical similarities. If I'm not wrong, daiku is about developing a relationship with the wood - much like judo is about relationship with your opponent through fighting. You are not fighting your opponent as much as you are yielding in order to find the best response to an attack. In daiku, you are not just cutting wood, but working with its natural characteristics (yielding) to get the best out of it.
Thank you for the informative and polite response. You are saying that this is a school? If that's the case then it's great that the students would be taught to use hand tools. I'm sure they are also taught to use power tools and to know when it's best to use one or the other. Depending on the situation, sometimes a power tool is easier to control, sometimes a handtool is. Also, in certain situations a handtool can get the job done faster than a power tool. Thanks.
@deezynar The caption says that the video is an introductory example of how to use a nokogiri (Japanese-style carpentry saw).
Power tools do get the job done faster, but hand tools are easier to control and, since one is working more slowly, a higher degree of quality is possible.
I've worked with a nokogiri and I can say that they make very precise cuts reasonably quickly. I really like Japanese tools and would be privileged to do a daiku apprenticeship ^^
I did not say I "can't" enlighten you. What I said was "give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day..." If you want a starting point, study Zen. That will give you your "tangible benefit." And when you say "most people," I can see again that you are missing the point. If one acts as though one has nothing to learn, nothing worth learning will be presented to that person. Yet still I try. Perhaps you missed my other post?
You say I'm ignorant, then you say you can't enlighten me. It sounds like you don't know anything about Japanese culture yourself. Most people would rather spend their $ on things they can see and touch rather than things that are hidden & make no difference. It's fine by me if a person makes an informed decision to spend so much more $ on a completely handbuilt frame, but they should know there is no tangible benefit to one.
@1Jejunum Furthermore, ignorance is nothing about which to feel shame, and I did not say I think you fall short. I said that if your were judged by another's (foreign) values, the judger might make the mistake of thinking you are doing "it" wrong because they don't understand your values. If one thinks that he/she is the only one who knows how to do it "right", it displays ignorance. Again, nothing about which to feel shame.
@deezynar My comment was not intended to offend. I was making an observation, but as I re-read my comment, I can see how it might be interpreted as aggressive. "Peace," was intended as a suggestion, since I interpreted your previous comment as pedantic. I will not attempt to 'enlighten' you as to another's culture, as I believe enlightenment achieved on one's own is more lasting. My whole intent was to encourage understanding...something we all desire.
Please enlighten me, what is different about Japanese culture that would motivate a person to spend far far more money on unseen parts of a house than they need to?
Also, please tell me what would motivate you to send such confrontational note & end it with "Peace"? Do you think that saying 'peace' will somehow make your note less obnoxious? If you were a thoughtful person, you'd have explained the cultural difference right off rather than just saying I'm ignorant & fall short.
@hananokuni2580 I'm pleased you joined in. I admire your ability to state it so clearly. Simply put, harmony is strength. Harmony is diminished when wood (or anything) is handled with disregard for its intrinsic quality. This understanding of a material, along with skill, is what defines a craftsman.
And yes, often it seems the important things are better understood by children. And then there are the adults who lose the ability to see as a child does.
1Jejunum 1 month ago
@1Jejunum Each piece of wood is different and has its own story to tell. It is the responsibility of the woodworker to listen closely. Eventually a deep knowledge of wood is acquired and this translates into VERY high standards of workmanship. Ultimately if this means a stronger, safer house structure, all that extra money is worth it (^^)
In closing, we should know that intrinsic benefits often surpass extrinsic ones. Normally young children understand this better than adults (- -)
hananokuni2580 1 month ago
@1Jejunum I'm not a daiku practitioner, but I once practiced judo and there are philosophical similarities. If I'm not wrong, daiku is about developing a relationship with the wood - much like judo is about relationship with your opponent through fighting. You are not fighting your opponent as much as you are yielding in order to find the best response to an attack. In daiku, you are not just cutting wood, but working with its natural characteristics (yielding) to get the best out of it.
hananokuni2580 1 month ago
@hananokuni2580
Thank you for the informative and polite response. You are saying that this is a school? If that's the case then it's great that the students would be taught to use hand tools. I'm sure they are also taught to use power tools and to know when it's best to use one or the other. Depending on the situation, sometimes a power tool is easier to control, sometimes a handtool is. Also, in certain situations a handtool can get the job done faster than a power tool. Thanks.
deezynar 1 month ago
@deezynar The caption says that the video is an introductory example of how to use a nokogiri (Japanese-style carpentry saw).
Power tools do get the job done faster, but hand tools are easier to control and, since one is working more slowly, a higher degree of quality is possible.
I've worked with a nokogiri and I can say that they make very precise cuts reasonably quickly. I really like Japanese tools and would be privileged to do a daiku apprenticeship ^^
hananokuni2580 1 month ago
I did not say I "can't" enlighten you. What I said was "give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day..." If you want a starting point, study Zen. That will give you your "tangible benefit." And when you say "most people," I can see again that you are missing the point. If one acts as though one has nothing to learn, nothing worth learning will be presented to that person. Yet still I try. Perhaps you missed my other post?
1Jejunum 1 month ago
@1Jejunum
You say I'm ignorant, then you say you can't enlighten me. It sounds like you don't know anything about Japanese culture yourself. Most people would rather spend their $ on things they can see and touch rather than things that are hidden & make no difference. It's fine by me if a person makes an informed decision to spend so much more $ on a completely handbuilt frame, but they should know there is no tangible benefit to one.
deezynar 1 month ago
@1Jejunum Furthermore, ignorance is nothing about which to feel shame, and I did not say I think you fall short. I said that if your were judged by another's (foreign) values, the judger might make the mistake of thinking you are doing "it" wrong because they don't understand your values. If one thinks that he/she is the only one who knows how to do it "right", it displays ignorance. Again, nothing about which to feel shame.
1Jejunum 1 month ago
@deezynar My comment was not intended to offend. I was making an observation, but as I re-read my comment, I can see how it might be interpreted as aggressive. "Peace," was intended as a suggestion, since I interpreted your previous comment as pedantic. I will not attempt to 'enlighten' you as to another's culture, as I believe enlightenment achieved on one's own is more lasting. My whole intent was to encourage understanding...something we all desire.
1Jejunum 1 month ago
@1Jejunum
Please enlighten me, what is different about Japanese culture that would motivate a person to spend far far more money on unseen parts of a house than they need to?
Also, please tell me what would motivate you to send such confrontational note & end it with "Peace"? Do you think that saying 'peace' will somehow make your note less obnoxious? If you were a thoughtful person, you'd have explained the cultural difference right off rather than just saying I'm ignorant & fall short.
deezynar 1 month ago