M113A1 to A3 Gavin UPGRADE Do-It-Yourself (DIY) by FNSS

A lot of dishonest wheeled trucktards and heavywhoppertanktards LIE and complain about the under-powered A2 Gavin to try to perpetrate their fraud of us wasting $$$ BILLIONS on inferior wheeled trucks @$4 MILLION each when a $100K upgrade of the existing M113A2s we have can create superior performance A3 Gavins, and with slightly more money "A4" Gavins that can have v-hull shaping, hybrid-electric drive, band tracks, multiple armor layering and autocannon and large caliber cannon or ATGM weaponry in internal helicopter-air-transportable "Mini-Gavin" or extended length 6 or 7 roadwheel MTVL or AIFV configurations--at less than 1/2 the cost of an inferior truck purchase.

http://www.combatreform.org/m113combat.htm

The Best Light Tank for Closed Terrain COIN: the M113 Gavin

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&ide...

Accession Number : AD0351252
Title : MECHANIZED RIFLE TROOP (M-113)
Corporate Author : ARMY CONCEPT TEAM IN VIETNAM APO SAN FRANCISCO 96384
Personal Author(s) : Godwin, Norman A. ; Scheumann, Marcus C.
Report Date : 25 JUN 1964
Pagination or Media Count : 1

Abstract : Organization, operations, and vehicle performance of M-113 armored personnel carrier-equipment mechanized rifle troops of the Army of the Republic of Vietnam (ARVN) were evaluated during counterinsurgency operations from 1 February 1963 to 31 March 1964 in the Republic of Vietnam. Troops were observed as they engaged in training, maintenance, and combat operations in each of the four corps tactical zones of South Vietnam. It was found that the ARVN mechanized rifle troop, with the exception of the support platoon, was well-organized and equipped for counterinsurgency operations. The evaluation revealed that the M-113 armored personnel carrier (APC) can fulfill the assault vehicle or tank role in counterinsurgency operations such as those conducted in the Republic of Vietnam when the insurgents have no armor and limited antiarmor capability. Optimum tactics and techniques for mechanized rifle troops were not determined. However, these units were most successful when employed offensively. The ARVN mechanized rifle troops can successfully perform amphibious operations in light surf, and can negotiate inundated areas in the RVN. A self-recovery means and other expedients are required for the M-113 when operating in terrain such as found in the delta region of Vietnam. The APC operated best in the relatively open, inundated areas of the delta and coastal lowlands. (Author)

Descriptors : *COUNTERINSURGENCY, *PASSENGER VEHICLES, VIETNAM, VIETNAM, ARMORED VEHICLES, MILITARY FORCES(FOREIGN), FEASIBILITY STUDIES, TERRAIN.

Subject Categories : UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE

Distribution Statement : APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE

BoarHawg writes:

"I was a 19D Scout for 11 years, the first six on 113s, then the piece of s**t Brads. For Scouts, it couldn't get worse than the Bradley....too big, too heavy, too loud, too complex, and too slow to keep up with the M1s it's supposed to support. A 113A3 runs rings around it, the only advantage a Brad has is firepower, but if you're a bigger target than a tank without the armor to take hits like a tank, a Brad's firepower doesn't mean a thing."

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[tobitadagon]

How well does it stand-up to EFP's, both from conventional arms and IED's? How about those of a tandem-charge design? Or would worrying about tandem-charge EFP's not a worry simply because they don't come up often?

[dynmicpara]

@tobitadagon AVOIDING land mines by cross-country mobility is a HUGE and #1 priority. PLAN B would be to have applique' armoring to defeat all threats if avoidance doesn't work. Wheeled trucks have no PLAN A--they are already being decisively engaged when they roll into road/trail ambushes they cannot avoid.

[paratrooper629]

I have very fond memories of M113s from my days as a PLT LDR and Co CDR. Shame we aren't upgrading them and using them. Question- could a Strkyer MGS 105mm turret be mounted ans used on an M113- make a great Assault Gun.

[dynmicpara]

Easily. The Gavin has a much lower COG and is far more stable than high atop Stryker hull on 8 flimsy tires. I would go with 6-roadwheel version to get more ammo and still be able to carry troops with a RWS 105mm gun. We should use one more reliable than what's on Stryker-MGS, though. Best option would be 105mm gun in hull, STUG-style but that will take more R&D than plopping gun on top. .

[dynmicpara]

Point-of-order, we ARE upgrading our M113 Gavins, and we ARE using them. Moreover, we should be an ALL-TRACKED, ALL-TERRAIN MOBILE Army, not road-bound excuse-victims. Infantry should NOT be using Strykers (send to MPs) and replace them with High Tech Gavins so we practice staying-off-roads-that-we-prea­ch.

[wittenelm]

the result of a low budget and motivated hardworking men

[BlacktailFA]

Those M113 Gavins were pretty chewed-up when the started, but man, look at the results!

I wonder if FNSS could restore an early-90's Nissan Pathfinder...

[JRPeyesatsne]

@sailbeyondthesunset Lol, an inch! My bald-tired 2wd Ford Escort can handle an inch. People that can't drive in snow are hilarious!

[lukico]

That would be sooo cool to have under a zombie attack =P

[Sismiques]

Put a autocannon on it.

[sailbeyondthesunset]

Would this version make a practical road-going vehicle (in snowy conditions). I ask because here in the UK we've had a inch of snow and the whole country has closed down - but I still need to get to work somehow!

Great video by the way!

[astrialkil]

@ottoramsaig Can you tell me where they are dumping these M113? Aluminum hulls might survive 5 years or more and be restoreable.

[ottoramsaig]

I remember there was once a movie that dealt with the Bradley (Comical) and how horrendous the developement was. The M2/M3 are the worse AFV's ever. As an M1 Tank Commander I have always had to wait on them. There are big, noisy and blet out tremendous amounts of smoke (exhaust) that gives away your location. We should have stayed with the gavin or perhaps an M113A4. But no, our government decides to turn the massive amounts of M113's into artifical reefs WTF?