Bart Ehrman and the New Testament Documents

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[lhurien]

no it's not an exagerration. just another delusional theist trying to sell that bullshit. bart ehrman is right.

[ndzoko]

@ElasticGiraffe Since the average lifespan of people in biblical times and later was no more then 40 to 45 years., Those people must have lived much longer, if what you are saying is true.

[MrBeETHICAL]

COMPLETELY BIASED ON 'HIS god' obsession .... no other way ... all oral hmmm ask the 'deadseaschroll' scribes or 'Paul' 'n those of his church fellows who had to makeup good 'press' after Paul died without the rest of the earthlings , hmmm

[laxr5rs]

What does, "reliable" mean to you in general? For some, there is not one error in the the New Testament. Tomb anyone? So, on what day did Jesus die? How about those zombie saints? I've always wondered about that.

To say that the major Christian Doctrines hold true through the NT is like saying, the thousands and thousands of Protestant denominations all believe the same thing. They do not, and they do not.

[ElasticGiraffe]

@vldmr0tube "Not surprisingly, names of important figures that were considered reliable in the area where gospels were used were prescribed to orthodox texts."

Mark was not notable. Luke CERTAINLY was not notable. On the contrary, Gnostics attributed their gospels to prominent figures in the ministry of Jesus: Peter, Thomas, Mary Magdalene, Judas, etc. So you have it COMPLETELY backward. Is this seriously what listening to Bart Ehrman's nonsense has led you to conclude?

[ElasticGiraffe]

@vldmr0tube Irenaeus was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul (Lyon, France) and the disciple of Polycarp (the bishop of Smyrna), who was the disciple of John (the bishop of Ephesus), who was the disciple of Jesus of Nazareth.

[ElasticGiraffe]

@vldmr0tube By the way, there is a case to be made from other usage (that I find particularly interesting) that when Papias and Irenaeus used the term, "Hebrew dialect," they mean a Semitic style of speech -- NOT the Semitic language. So your criticism might be much ado about nothing.

"(although a lot of time has passed and it is unclear for me where did [Papias and Irenaeus] get the information)"

Papias was a companion of Polycarp (the disciple of JOHN), and he became bishop of Hieropolis.

[ElasticGiraffe]

@vldmr0tube to consider it an argument against the historical reliability of the Greek gospel of Matthew. Both gospels have Jewish audiences in mind and were obviously written by a Palestinian Jew; the Greek gospel is replete with OT references and Semiticisms. Also, as we both noted, Mark was an important source for the Greek gospel of Matthew, and there is no disagreement over who wrote Mark's gospel, who provided the information for it (Peter), and whether it was apostolic and authoritative.

[ElasticGiraffe]

@vldmr0tube If the early church theologians were attempting to "cover up" this gospel because it contained different theology, they obviously did a lousy job because they talked about it a great deal and held it in high esteem. Yes, Papias and Irenaeus DID testify about the authorship of the NT gospels. Maybe you should go back and read the contexts of the quotes you provided. They were discussing the origins of the four canonical gospels. Matthew's Hebrew composition is mysterious, but you seem

[ElasticGiraffe]

@vldmr0tube Sorry, I didn't see your previous comment quoting Papias until I posted. Origen also agreed with that incidentally:

". . .the first is written according to Matthew, the same that was once a tax collector, but afterward an emissary of Jesus the Messiah, who having published it for the Jewish believers, wrote it in Hebrew." (Origen, as quoted by Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 6:25)

Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek were all spoken in the first century in the Holy Land.