Americans don't walk around with guns. Your TV lies.
My government and your government puts a price on human life every day. This is how they make their decisions. This is why you have waiting lists and I don't. This is why the US performs heart bypass operations at a rate 5 times higher per capita than the UK.. Cost is always king.
@pine829 The reason this is so is that historically Americans have been suspicious of big government anything. Sadly, this is no longer the case. We are in the process of installing a European style socialism and are culturally developing a taste for the addictive but toxic milk that a State teat delivers
We have already acquired a European style taste for imperialism
I expect that the US will follow the Europeans down the drain economically, socially, culturally and morally
@Goldengirl19601 I know that the UK health system is vastly behind the present state of the art. I know that many procedures and treatments are simply unavailable if you are outside of the "target" demographic. I know this because I know about the "refuges" from your system. This is not altruism on their part, it is survival.
@pine829 Socialism is piling up debt for your children, taking on debt from institutions and nations who will eventually own you, your land and your politicians, sacrificing your long term freedoms for "right now" comfort.
You are being over-run with immigrants who do not share your culture or your history and your low reproductive rate will make your children a minority in their own country in two generations.
Socialism is destroying France and the rest of Europe.
@Goldengirl19601 No. I am very familiar with the systems. I am not debating what any government says about their systems. I am talking about what they actually deliver.
I already live in a socialist governed nation, so I do know what it is like to live in one. Every socialist nation on the face of the planet is presently going broke (or into a slow death slide of debt) attempting to deliver benefits it cannot sustain. France is just further down the path than the US
@pine829 By the way, just out of interest: why do Americans view the French National anthem and pass offensive comments about the French? Don't you have better things to do? (Like organising a fair, just and caring welfare state, for example...?)
@pine829 I have grown up children, I am old enough to have grandchildren, and have known my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents all treated by the NHS in the UK. Without restrictions. Six generations. None of us have ever had to count the cost of illness. some things are beyond price. You don't know anything about EU healthcare; you know what your government tell you. You are the ONLY developed country which does not provide care. Why do you think that is?
@pine829 :-) Your government tell you that - as i said, you are brainwashed. Do you know the Russians in the 70s were told that people came from all over the world to enjoy the benefits of the marvellous soviet healthcare system? All oppressive governments lie. And please, please don't talk about Socialism. You don't know what it is. You are told it is a bad thing and therefore to call someone a "socialist" makes them into an object of fear, a cultural enemy.
Ha ha ha. This is a regional thing. It's not universal. The US east coast is by far the worst. Nothing is louder and more irritating than either a bunch of New Jersey socialite women or New York Jews. It sounds exactly as you describe. Sorry about that.
Although it is funny for me to watch European tourist here.One of the funniest was watching a French family complain to each other about the food at Disney World.
As the French say about American food "good color"
@Goldengirl19601 OK, I'll translate into something simpler:
Americans don't walk around with guns. Your TV lies.
My government and your government puts a price on human life every day. This is how they make their decisions. This is why you have waiting lists and I don't. This is why the US performs heart bypass operations at a rate 5 times higher per capita than the UK.. Cost is always king.
Socialism doesn't work - there or here.
pine829 1 week ago
@pine829 The reason this is so is that historically Americans have been suspicious of big government anything. Sadly, this is no longer the case. We are in the process of installing a European style socialism and are culturally developing a taste for the addictive but toxic milk that a State teat delivers
We have already acquired a European style taste for imperialism
I expect that the US will follow the Europeans down the drain economically, socially, culturally and morally
pine829 1 week ago
@Goldengirl19601 I know that the UK health system is vastly behind the present state of the art. I know that many procedures and treatments are simply unavailable if you are outside of the "target" demographic. I know this because I know about the "refuges" from your system. This is not altruism on their part, it is survival.
pine829 1 week ago
@pine829 Socialism is piling up debt for your children, taking on debt from institutions and nations who will eventually own you, your land and your politicians, sacrificing your long term freedoms for "right now" comfort.
You are being over-run with immigrants who do not share your culture or your history and your low reproductive rate will make your children a minority in their own country in two generations.
Socialism is destroying France and the rest of Europe.
pine829 1 week ago
@Goldengirl19601 No. I am very familiar with the systems. I am not debating what any government says about their systems. I am talking about what they actually deliver.
I already live in a socialist governed nation, so I do know what it is like to live in one. Every socialist nation on the face of the planet is presently going broke (or into a slow death slide of debt) attempting to deliver benefits it cannot sustain. France is just further down the path than the US
pine829 1 week ago
@pine829 By the way, just out of interest: why do Americans view the French National anthem and pass offensive comments about the French? Don't you have better things to do? (Like organising a fair, just and caring welfare state, for example...?)
Goldengirl19601 1 week ago
@pine829 I have grown up children, I am old enough to have grandchildren, and have known my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents all treated by the NHS in the UK. Without restrictions. Six generations. None of us have ever had to count the cost of illness. some things are beyond price. You don't know anything about EU healthcare; you know what your government tell you. You are the ONLY developed country which does not provide care. Why do you think that is?
Goldengirl19601 1 week ago
@pine829 :-) Your government tell you that - as i said, you are brainwashed. Do you know the Russians in the 70s were told that people came from all over the world to enjoy the benefits of the marvellous soviet healthcare system? All oppressive governments lie. And please, please don't talk about Socialism. You don't know what it is. You are told it is a bad thing and therefore to call someone a "socialist" makes them into an object of fear, a cultural enemy.
Goldengirl19601 1 week ago
im proud to be french
Samueldorian90 1 week ago 2
Ha ha ha. This is a regional thing. It's not universal. The US east coast is by far the worst. Nothing is louder and more irritating than either a bunch of New Jersey socialite women or New York Jews. It sounds exactly as you describe. Sorry about that.
Although it is funny for me to watch European tourist here.One of the funniest was watching a French family complain to each other about the food at Disney World.
As the French say about American food "good color"
pine829 2 weeks ago