Fr. Ian on the Old Catholic Church

Fr. Ian, an Anglican-rite Old Catholic seminarian, talks a bit about the Old Catholic Church and its history.

North American Old Catholic Church: http://www.naoldcatholic.com

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• old catholic
• anglicanism
• utrecht
• roman catholic
• archbishop
• pope
• sacraments

[JonTheJansenist]

When dealing with both scripture and the ancient church, there is no rationale for prohibiting marriage amongst those who minister and preach the gospel from the pulpit and administer the Eucharist. However, there are specific passages in the New Testament epistles and the Book of Acts that go against the Old Catholic modernist tendencies of accepting women and gay clerics. Going against God's direct revelation is generally not a good idea, regardless of the social climate of the present.

[eltoro92630]

@JonTheJansenist

This is where my Anglican slip shows--we have a "three-legged" stool approach, which arguably derives from the theology of the Elizabethan divine, Richard Hooker, with scripture, reason, and tradition held in tension. Holy Writ is not by God wholly writ, only inspired, so we do not account it infallible. Only that Scripture "contains all things necessary to salvation."

[JonTheJansenist]

@eltoro92630 I see, I'm also a former Anglican, but I ended up dropping the Richard Hooker view when I began seeking a more rigorous Augustinian understanding of revelation. My views with regards to Original Sin are probably much different from yours, hence my attitude towards the reasoning of man in his current state is radically different. I do support Utrecht's declarations as outlined in 1889 and their proper assertion of church government, but I am not on board with the modernistic parts.

[eltoro92630]

@JonTheJansenist

I can definitely appreciate that. The peace of God be with you always.

[stevebaylot]

Thank you for your comments. I've recently joined an Old Catholic jurisdiction myself. Best wishes to you.

[JonTheJansenist]

The principle argument that I've heard from Romanists when arguing about the legitimate autonomy of Utrecht is usually an appeal to their vast size and scope, to which a single reference to the scripture dealing with the wide vs. the straight and narrow path will quickly debunk.

At the end, Rome's final argument on their legitimacy is through force and fraud, and that is the reason for the continued existence of the Jesuits and also the newly formed Opus Dei.

[JonTheJansenist]

The granting of Utrecht's status as an independent See was the result of a compromise between their bishop, the Holy Roman Emperor and the Roman Pontiff. Historically, the Apostolic Church granted the right of independent election to all established churches, hence the autonomous nature of the early church dioceses.

What Rome did by accident with Utrecht was to reaffirm an ancient and scriptural tradition that they'd spent several centuries moving away from.

Good video by the way.