George Monbiot & Khalid Mahmood debate Climate Camp

From BBC's newsnight, 13th August 2007. Monbiot commits himself to DA whilst a Labour stooge waffles. Kirsty Wark sits on the fence.

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[davehaywarduk]

how can that idiot MP say that terrorism is more immediate than climate change. Terrorism obviously has to be dealt with now but climate change affects everybody and it certainly is just as immediate as any terrorist threat. I hate the way that the MP and presenter just redirect the argument into terrorism, aren't they suppose to be talking about the climate camp? Direct, active protest and terrorism are two completely different things.

[roots909]

Monbiot on point once again :-).

Irritating to see the usual strawmen erected ie 'hoax packages'. Predictable that they should choose to centre the debate around spurious assertions from papers.

[edwolf1127n]

Your vid is popular on Saint George's

[ImMichaelTaylor]

@davehaywarduk "how can that idiot MP say that terrorism is more immediate than climate change. " Fear wins votes.

[TomMackio]

@joecushley It just goes to show you can't really trust computer models to predict major events. Have created a computer model for my university thesis, it made me realise that even what appear as very minor changes to the algorithm, can have massive effects on the models predictions. More inaccuracies can occur when interperating the results too. I guess this is why predictions of the rate of climate change vary so massively.

[TomMackio]

KM - "If they scale a fence then where are they going to go other than the runway"

GM - "I don't know... somewhere else in the airport??"

Khalid doesn't come accross as very bright!

[joecushley]

Please answer my other questions about CO2 being a greenhouse gas and whether you think fossil fuels will last forever.

[joecushley]

OK so an impostor must have got into your account to call me 'feeble-minded' after I made a perfectly civilized comment. Please, you started the insults, I'll continue them you are the tin-foil hatted propagandist without a handle on the facts. Here's a fact for ya. In the Limits Of Growth the Club of Rome ran several computer models with different scenarios. ONE of which said that petroleum would be depleted by 1992. ONE of SEVERAL you feeble-minded, neo-con shill. Do you understand this?

[shadowsinthevalley]

The rest of your post is just schoolboy name calling, so I won't bother even touching that. Name calling propoganda is usually the course somebody takes when they are wrong or just believing in blind faith. I do have children and it's funny, but they are not as dumb as you! Even they could have told you the Club of Rome predictions correctly instead of just making it up like you! What are you going to try and demonize next, water vapor?

[shadowsinthevalley]

Took you a long time to reply. I guess there was a lack of wind in your area meaning that your wind turbines wouldn't be able to generate electricity for your PC.

Where did you pluck 2070 from? Been reading the internet? This is like arguing with a kid with a general lack of knowledge.

What I suggest you do is go and read "Limits to Growth" published by Club of Rome. There you can clearly read ALL of the nonsense predictions. PETROLEUM IS....WAIT FOR IT....DEPLETED BY 1992.

[joecushley]

@shadowsinthevalley You seem to the one who hasn't done your research. Look up Club of Rome and 2070 prediction. The word's woolly by the way. But 'straw' would be a more appropriate substance for you. Your arguments are full of it. Thought you were pretty tin-foil hat when I saw your postings, but I reckoned I'd try and engage in a civilised way. Should have known there was no point with someone as far gone, arrogant and ignorant as you appear to be. Good luck. I hope you don't have children...

[shadowsinthevalley]

They were not, as you put it, wolly. Although I agree many of the alarmists are rather wolly. They told us by the end of the 20th century the world would exhaust its resources. Do your research properly or please don't comment at all. We already have enough of your types trying to push the science beyond reason or reality and scaring the hell out of our children with it and killing ppl by the millions as we speak. Not being able to understand the free market is a lack of education on your part.