Atheist Army Chaplains??? - Penn Point

Atheist chaplains in the U.S. Military, As if the foxholes weren't full enough already.

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[BenjaminWirtz]

Penn is an atheist that gets it at least in terms of understanding the exclusivity of each religion and not mixing them.

[ShinobuHarvester]

A few years ago my bro saw and did some things in Iraq that weigh on his mind heavily. Religious folk have their "answers" and communities to help deal with the realities of warfare, what do we have?

A liberated mind is helpful but there is value in community. Especially if you come from a religious family, are surrounded by people who tell you that you are going to Hell and get shot at for a living.

[Whisper6911]

army chaplains a re retarded, its a complete contradiction of atheism.

if you are an atheist, you have no faith and therefore do not need some asshole in a dress

to bless you before you can go to heaven, which you also don't believe in.

how about we replace that poster boy for futility with a psychiatrist who specializes in PTHD...

[ThePhil909]

contract, yes i like tht for gays, ma-ridge for straights

[tenhirankei]

I believe "contradiction in terms" seriously applies here. The chaplin who is giving spiritual comfort to our soldiers by definition has to have a belief in God. Do atheists believe that man (in the generic sense, not a reference to gender) has a soul? And if so did God imbue man with a living soul, or was this also a wonder of evolution?!

[Jaspian]

@mattshark100 Keep in mind what we discussed earlier - if morals are not dictated by God, they were probably dictated by an evolutionary process... e.g. - societies that frowned upon killing and stealing were more likely to survive. Religion merely serves to solidify that moral base... but that doesn't make that moral base bad. In fact, that moral base was vital to the founding of a civilization. So just throwing bits of it away willy-nilly is likely to end very badly.

[Jaspian]

@mattshark100 That sentiment is terribly naive. Not all social experimentation is like "allowing freedoms to flourish", especially around science, which has advanced to a level that's arguably bad for the human race. Embryonic Stem cells, Eugenics, Human Experimentation, Transhumanism, Orbital Supercolliders ... you must draw the line somewhere. And I do think that Eugenics is more likely in a morally malleable culture without absolutes.

[mattshark100]

@Jaspian We would experiment more, probably. It is experimentation which has allowed social freedoms to flourish. Religion's stability is an illusion, it changes with society over the years, women get rights, slaves go free. Are these things morally right, society decides, not religion. Things like eugenics are just as likely to occur under a religious guise as an atheist one. Atheisms moral landscape is no worse than religions, they are from the same source, humanity.

[Jaspian]

@mattshark100 Well... unless you believe in absolute morality, which means some kind of ethical truth in the universe, and therefore a "god", a purely atheist society would only have the same ethical values as our own society by chance, and probably wouldn't retain those morals.

Where I think its different is that the traditions of religion make ethics and morals more immutable. I think there would be more "experimentation" with moral standards without a religious vessel at its core FBOFW.

[mattshark100]

@Jaspian

Well, that could well be true, although we have no way of assigning a value (such as "likely") to it since we only live in this reality and not the alternate reality where religion does not exist.