Anti Vaccination Movement (Part 2)

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The Anti-Vaccination Movement (Part 2/3) - The Atheist Experience #589 with Matt Dillahunty and Jen Peeples.

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[BigGreedyBastard]

The religious pobia about sex is actually very funny, I can't remember weather it was on Jon Swewart or Bill Marr show, but, girls from religious families that try to obstain from sex are 6 time more likely to preform oral sex and 4 time more likely to engage in anal sex, than their non-religious counter parts.

One hopes that they are using protection when engaging in the anal variaty.

So, if you want the kinky stuff find yourself a good religious girl.

[ctvwr]

This isn't about atheism. As with episodes involving conspiracy theories and such, this is about critical thinking and idiotic public delusions.

[resistnzisfutl]

@fernbap Sounds like we're on the same page. I do think corporations are in it primarily for profit, though I don't think that's their only purpose in life. I think it's healthy to be skeptical about what we take into our bodies and to do teh due diligence. I realize companies are going to tell us what we want to hear, but they are required to divulge what they give us; it's up to us to scientifically determine if it's truly healthy and effective. I think vaccines are safe and necessary. :)

[fernbap]

@resistnzisfutl Realising that we live in a corporate world is no conspiracy. Realising that pharmaceutical corporations are not interested in our health, they are only interested in making costumers of us, is no conspiracy.

In the case of vaccines, i know they work. What i am skeptic about is wether what they are selling are indeed vaccines, or some worthless product looking for a market.

The WHO itself admited that the threat was "greatly exagerated". Where is your conspiracy?

[resistnzisfutl]

@fernbap You're right, I didn't find out what your choice is and that's my bad. So then, what is your choice, and why?

However, you do have to admit that your words imply anti-vaccination, indicating how the "authorities" pushed vaccines onto an unwise population, and there was an incident of an 'asian flu artificial hysteria" (corrected misspelling there).

So, government officials pushing swapped vaccines on an unsuspecting populace (your words). And that's not conspiracy theory, how?

[fernbap]

@resistnzisfutl See how prejudiced you are? You dont even know my choice on vaccines but already filled your mind with a lot of conspiracy theories. Tsk tsk tsk...

[resistnzisfutl]

@fernbap What you just posted here is one big conspiracy theory. You're taking something you read from the paper and furnishing your own details about it, without evidence, conflating, then simply making up the rest to make it look like there's some sort of massive conspiracy going on.

Get a grip on reality! Your conpiratorial rantings smack of paranoid delusions. And it's dangerous because your stupid choice not to vaccinate affects everyone around you. Idiot!

[fernbap]

@resistnzisfutl I will give you a single example: during the asian flu artificial histeria, governments were pushing for their populations to take the vaccine. The german politicians decided to set the example, and they all were publicly vaccinated.

A few days later, it was found that the vaccine they took was not the same vaccine they were pushing to the population, and had all the "added substances" removed.

You don't need any conspiracy theories, Just read the papers.

[resistnzisfutl]

@fernbap Of course, it's always good to know what it is you're using or what's being injected/taken in by the body. I'm all for education. I'm also for sound reasoning and logic based on evidence, and conspiracy theories are neither logical or supported by the evidence.

With the ingredients of vaccine openly shared with the public and side-effects well-known, I'll stick with what the actual scientist say, not the ignorant activists nor the company. That holds true with anything... :)

[fernbap]

@resistnzisfutl That is precisely my point.

The first thing you need to be sure in the first time is wether what they are selling you as a vaccine is indeed a vaccine, and also wether it has no harmful substances added.

Propaganda distorts everything, to the point that whenever people question a certain vaccine (mostly the things that are added to it) they are presented to the public as anti-vaccination activists and often linked to extreme rightwing or religious movements.

[resistnzisfutl]

@fernbap Really, you should be more informed about how much money companies actually make with vaccines (it's not much) and what's actually harmful in vaccines. When you say "demonstrably harmful", what are you actually referring to, and where are you getting your data?

Rejecting vaccines is a very dangerous public hazard that affects everyone, even those who are vaccinated.

Perhaps instead of taking a political stand, take an evidence-based, scientific stand first.

[fernbap]

I have nothing against vaccines. I know they work. However, when i see vaccines being pushed to people by the same people that makes a lot of money from them, through a propaganda machine that is politically run, it is my duty to take the propaganda claims with a grain of salt.

When i see aditives that are demonstrably harmful being added to vaccines and pushed to people leaving people with no alternative to get the vaccine without the harmful ingredients, it is my duty to take a political stand