Libertarians Are Not Conservative

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[MerlinYoda]

Final note "Libertarian" and "Progressive" are *POLAR OPPOSITES*!!!! (emphasis necessary). Please do yourself a favor and back your opinions up with reason and fact rather than here-say and talking points.

[TheMessianicManic]

@MerlinYoda I'll admit I'm using the term idiosyncratically. I mean it in the sense that libertarians literally want to *progress* to a new politico-economical system rather than returning to some earlier one.

[MerlinYoda]

@TheMessianicManic actually I'd posit (economically speaking that is) that libertarians are far more "conservative" (in your use of the term) than even present day conservatives as free trade among private parties (and even tribes or nations) predates most "modern" (using the term a little loosely here to mean the last couple centuries) politico-economical systems. Free market capitalism (or "laissez-faire capitalism" if you prefer to use that term instead) is the most rudimentary system by far.

[TheMessianicManic]

@MerlinYoda The "free-trade among private parties" existed when there was no legal system to enforce contracts and tort claims though reliably. I think libertarians would still like that to be in place. It is the combination of state and laissez faire economics that would be very new, not laissez faire enterprise alone.

[dubified89]

Man right fucking on. I'm sick of getting labeled a conservative, I hate conservatives! The government is conservative, both sides!

[dubified89]

I agree!

[sewbuttns]

@TheMessianicManic They are full of contradictions, just like how they always say taxation is theft even though theft is by defintion taking something that the government decides belongs to someone else. I think their arguements are all so weak and easily smashed that is why you hardly ever see anarcho capitalists making videos on youtube anymore.

[sewbuttns]

@sweatytoothmadman To me when I hear someone say they like some form of government what that usually means is that they want the government to keep out of the way while the rich steal from the poor, but then they want the government to be really active in punishing the poor when they try to steal back. And that just doesn't seem fair to me.

[sweatytoothmadman]

@sewbuttns I'm not a anarcho-capitalist, I do believe in some form of government.

[TheMessianicManic]

@sewbuttns That's exactly right. The whole concept of anarcho-capitalism is a contradiction. In order for a plot of land to really be private, one must exercise authority over it by erecting a fence or otherwise keeping others from using it. And any form of society in which any authority is exerted at all is, by definition, NOT anarchist.

[sewbuttns]

@sweatytoothmadman Without the government to enforce property rights the "right" to own property would not exist at all. It is only by force that one person can stop other people from using land.

[sweatytoothmadman]

When you open to the door and allow government to force you allow someone to exploit another. That’s what disrupts the market and creates massive booms and busts. That what creates a class of super wealthy and super poor.

[sweatytoothmadman]

You need to understand that free market capitalism is property rights where as one party cannot force another to do anything against their choice. Our government is a Keynesian economic model that allows the government force to determine property rights. The question you’re asking the wrong., no one should have power over other peoples property. Not the wealthy or poor. (continue)

[anubis2814]

@sweatytoothmadman Please provide your evidence for this? Please show that when the government had the least amount of power the wealthy also had the least interference in government. They now have the highest level of government interference because we have weakened both taxes and regulation, it started in the 80's with Reagan and has gotten worse. Investing in lobbyists and politicians makes a lot more money than legitimate business.