DRIVETIME CHAT: THE AMAZING ATHEIST: Episode 32

Will The Amazing Atheist subscribe to an eternally existent universe (one with an infinite number of finite causes) or one which sprang into existence from nothing uncaused?

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[HeedfulGibbon]

i have questions..... which god is the real one?? which faith is actually telling the truth??? what faith do u belong too robertpiercy??? how come religon causes sepratism?? and last question...what happenes to the people that cant keep up with that fine religous line u walk??? does god kill them or send them to hell?? VERY IMPORTANT PLZ REPLY

[robertpiercy]

@HeedfulGibbon Furthermore, the Bible can be trusted through abundant manuscript and archaeological evidence, predictive prophecy, and statistical probability. Finally, remember that the entire Christian faith hinges on the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ. No resurrection... no Christianity. There is also sufficient reason for believing the resurrection was in fact a historical event. If you want to get into these topics further, just let me know. Thanks!

[MechanicalCrowds]

This question applies to both atheists and theists alike! Theists think they've solved this problem by introducing a new concept, i.e. god. And to introduce this concept you have to make infinite assumptions (god defined as infinite) while not really answering anything at all. No answer is provided by theists on the origin of god except self-definition. So theism really compounds the problem...

[robertpiercy]

@MechanicalCrowds If God were defined as just another cause in the series, then I would agree with you. But as it is, God exists independently of space and time, which is why God is not just another step down the chain of causes.

[MrVarhansen]

dude if i had to be trapped in a car with you for your little "Drive-Time-Chat" i'd get out and walk

[zpgJiggleBilly]

@robertpiercy And so can Nordic mythology.

[jandrodavid]

The only reason why the infinite regress would never end is because it would be based on opinions and hypothesis of different scientists, meaning that it won't end until we get scientific proof. And that won't happen for a while since we still haven't been able to travel outside our solar system. But that's a lot more proof and assurance than the bible which was written by man, and several different man at that. What was it though, did they write what was dictated by god? Cause i think that's t

[robertpiercy]

@HeedfulGibbon I don't have enough room here to address every question, so if you need further explanation, msg me, and we can continue the conversation that way. OK... I belong to the Christian faith. Which god is God? Well, if God is infinite and we are finite, then there is no way for us to ever come to know God unless He condescends to reveal Himself to us, which is what the Bible is--God's revelation of Himself to man. So the Bible--not people--is our final authority on who God is.

[HeedfulGibbon]

@robertpiercy I dont understand what that means. You didnt answer any of the questions... every christian on youtube is giving me the same b/s reply. Those questions are very important, because its life or death if you chose the wrong faith. Well thats what the bible teaches.

[robertpiercy]

@HeedfulGibbon Great questions! We're told to 'test everything; hold fast that which is good' (1 Thes. 5:21), so I would say that the claims of Christianity are rooted in evidence. Therefore, our faith is not a blind leap into the dark. However, to embrace Christ as one's greatest treasure is not the same as merely coming to terms mentally with a set of facts or statements. Instead it is a change of the heart, which comes from the gospel.

[robertpiercy]

@Noxus909 A universe that has existed forever would require an infinite number of finite causes (AKA an infinite regress), which is absurd. See Hilbert's Paradox of the Grand Hotel for clarification.

To say that God existed forever is probably not the best way to say it, because it makes it sound as if God exists within space and time, which He does not. Rather, He transcends space and time. According to modern cosmology, space and time are interdependent and came into existence simultaneously.

[Noxus909]

I'm unsure about this, but if someone claims that the universe existed forever, could they not also believe that no cause is required for it if it has always been there? Also, why go one step further to say God existed infinitely, instead of the universe? But that my not be your stance on God, so I'm not going to put words into your mouth.