Re: Re: Re: Accumulation of Property and the State

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[KruZer7]

How can you say Madison created a state and not say Lenin or Mao created a state?

[buddhagem]

Think it through. Lenin and Mao overtook existing state power. Madison and his comrades created one out of thin air basically. Big difference. All three used the state to their advantage. Only Madison actually created one.

[DixyHair]

How is it that you constantly emphasize that there are many distinct flavors of socialism, & yet refuse to accept the same reality as it applies to capitalism? It's rather disingenuous to proclaim how much better stateless socialism is than state socialism, & then act as if stateless capitalism would be just like state capitalism.

I know you haven't explicitly stated such, but following your videos, you've certainly implied it, & you've definitely exhibited a double-standard.

[buddhagem]

Great question and one that I will be addressing shortly in a video. Thanks!

[DeflocculatedDentist]

the only thing i disagree with you on is that pacifist anarchism has been a huge factor in global politics.

Leo Tolstoy is incredibly well known, and he directly inspired MLK and Gandhi. :)

Are you a pacifist?

[buddhagem]

Also, not sure if I made this clear or not but my intent was to point out that Pacifism has been a minor element in Anarchist history. Obviously MLK and Gandhi weren't Anarchists. If I said Pacifism was a small factor in global politics I was just wrong. I certainly meant in relation to Anarchist history. Again, thanks for the comment.

[AnarchismIsSocialism]

1a) If anarchy means no rulers, then anarchists must oppose all rulers.

1b) Anarchy means no rulers.

1c) Therefore, anarchists must oppose all rulers.

2a) If capitalists rule the workplace, then anarchists must oppose capitalists.

2b) Capitalists rule the workplace.

2c) Therefore, anarchists must oppose capitalists.

3a) If the opposite of capitalism is socialism, then anarchists must be socialists.

3b) The opposite of capitalism is socialism.

3c) Therefore, anarchists must be socialists.

[Irtidad]

"Then be Honest... Don't call yourselves Anarchists... Call yourselves Socialist!!!!!!

There is nothing Anarchistic about your position."

-wizkid2000 (5 hours ago)

Attempting to monopolize the term is by no means unique to social anarchists. But even Rothbard did not consider himself an anarchist, its only his followers who decided to use that label.

[dubified89]

This info is so important

[Pazrayna]

So Anarchism is Communism, thanks for clearing that up.

[KruZer7]

*In both cases,

sorry.

[KruZer7]

Not to mention the fact that the Petrograd Soviet was a state created in and of itself.

[KruZer7]

Most of the Warsaw Pact countries had their constitutions written out of thin air.

The difference is not as big as the one you are asserting. Lenin and the Bolsheviks created a new system of governance after taking control of the provisional government and gaining full control of the Petrograd Soviet. Madison and his ilk created a new system governance out of the Articles of Confederation. If both cases, the new was similar to the old, but drastically different at the same time.

[KruZer7]

Your argument reduces to semantics.

[KruZer7]

Your comment is incoherent.

[peaceful0tiger]

You mean capitalist, potentially in socialist clothing but definitely and definitively capitalist.

[peaceful0tiger]

Actually I agree to it doesn't.