BBC - Jonathan Ross - In Search of Steve Ditko, part 4 of 7

A great documentary about the career of Steve Ditko.Features many comic talents and their thoughts.

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[WireMosasaur]

"..more into the realm of, just, sheer beautiful, wonderful, straight-from-the-heart American barking madness."

Gaiman wins.

[HeatLegs]

Wow, I never heard of Mr. A. I gotta check it out. :O

[norristerse]

@DeepSouthWrestling1

dogs are capable of altruism. it's just that they don't have a word for it.

[DeepSouthWrestling1]

@MrLunitunz : That figures...

[MrLunitunz]

@DeepSouthWrestling1 Dogs are trained by man, yes. But they don't think like men, they're dogs. I think the dogs are the most convincing argument that Altruism isn't an intriniscally human value, and not something that requires 'reason'.

[DeepSouthWrestling1]

@MrLunitunz : Almost every example listed has to be qualified... meaning, pack/family members don't really count. The most convincing argument is dogs adopting other species... and dogs are domesticated, trained by man.

[MrLunitunz]

@DeepSouthWrestling1 I'm at a loss for more reputable sources, but look up Altruism in animals on Wikipedia, there are at least several examples which disprove that you need to be able to 'reason' to be altruistic.

As for Blood altruism, it may not be the scientifically correct term. Look up the Selfish Gene Theory. Basically animals will protect family members at a cost to themselves to ensure that their genes get passed on.

[DeepSouthWrestling1]

@MrLunitunz : Altruism requires the ability to reason... it is a choice. I'm afraid you have me at a disadvantage... "blood altruism"? Google turned up nothing, neither did Webster's. And as far as Objectivism being redundant... well, maybe so. I can live with that before attempting to suppress altruism or championing self-centeredness.

[MrLunitunz]

@DeepSouthWrestling1 Altruism doesn't separate mankind from other animals. Animals are perfectly capable of being altruistic, blood altruism for example.

I don't know enough about objectivism to declare whether or not it's hateful but anything preaching the needs of the self over the needs of others can only be described as redundant. Ayn Rand is thus, redundant.

[DeepSouthWrestling1]

@MrLunitunz : So, basically, she preached against altruism. The one trait (besides the creation of art) that truly separates mankind from other animals. That is hateful.

[MrLunitunz]

@DeepSouthWrestling1 She argues that human beings should be more self-centred and pursue their own ends without helping other people achieve theirs, right?

Well that's redundant. People are naturally self-centred. What you should teach them, if anything, is to be less so.

[DeepSouthWrestling1]

@MrLunitunz : Um, excuse me?