ChristianTruthHammer claims that Calvinists do not arrive at the position of limited atonement through bible study, But by a simple philisophical logical conclusion. This is Part 1.
I think jn 3:16 is a very poor passage to use when trying to defend anything Calvinistic. In the case of limited atonement the fact that "whosoever" isn't in the original Gk is a weak argument. It is common to put in English words so the sentences will flow smoothly for the reader. God so loved the world, that is everybody. So whosoever fits the context. In the Gk grammar whosoever believes means whosoever Continues to believe, and shall have everlasting life means will continue to etc etc. So
even with whosoever, it still is true, because Whosoever, or anyone who does believe, WILL be saved,...problem is not everyone will, Only his elect will
"I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy. I will shepherd the flock with justice."
"See, I myself will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. ...I will save my flock, and they will no longer be plundered. I will judge between one sheep and another. I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd." Ezek34
I'm sorry but you are the one who mis-quoted scripture. You said that Jesus said "I lay down my life for MY sheep" I simply pointed out that Christ never said that. He said "THE sheep".
Of course those that don't believe are not His sheep. I don't dispute that, but If all sheep belong to Him then why even mention "His" sheep? Why not "the sheep"? There are sheep that don't belong to Him. Scripture says "we all like sheep have gone astray but the Lord has laid on Him, the initquity of us all"
Wrong. He said that they do not believe BECAUSE they are not of His sheep. He said that His sheep hear His voice and follow. And not everyone is a sheep. If they were sheep then they would have listened to His voice and believed.
You are twisting Jesus' simply words into a huge mess for no reason. Just believe what He says.
I think jn 3:16 is a very poor passage to use when trying to defend anything Calvinistic. In the case of limited atonement the fact that "whosoever" isn't in the original Gk is a weak argument. It is common to put in English words so the sentences will flow smoothly for the reader. God so loved the world, that is everybody. So whosoever fits the context. In the Gk grammar whosoever believes means whosoever Continues to believe, and shall have everlasting life means will continue to etc etc. So
coolhellcat18 4 days ago
Whose the guy in the video? He's really cool! Does he have his own youtube channel?
DudeDesi07 9 months ago
haven't seen such an awesome video in defense of Limited Atonement!!
DudeDesi07 9 months ago
@HolinessCrusade
Well it does say clearly in the scripture that their sins will not be atoned for ever. Even if Christ was reveled to them they would not accept him.
Pking2death 1 year ago
even with whosoever, it still is true, because Whosoever, or anyone who does believe, WILL be saved,...problem is not everyone will, Only his elect will
CripForChrist 2 years ago
"I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy. I will shepherd the flock with justice."
"See, I myself will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. ...I will save my flock, and they will no longer be plundered. I will judge between one sheep and another. I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd." Ezek34
shteve77 2 years ago
I'm sorry but you are the one who mis-quoted scripture. You said that Jesus said "I lay down my life for MY sheep" I simply pointed out that Christ never said that. He said "THE sheep".
Of course those that don't believe are not His sheep. I don't dispute that, but If all sheep belong to Him then why even mention "His" sheep? Why not "the sheep"? There are sheep that don't belong to Him. Scripture says "we all like sheep have gone astray but the Lord has laid on Him, the initquity of us all"
shteve77 2 years ago
Wrong. He said that they do not believe BECAUSE they are not of His sheep. He said that His sheep hear His voice and follow. And not everyone is a sheep. If they were sheep then they would have listened to His voice and believed.
You are twisting Jesus' simply words into a huge mess for no reason. Just believe what He says.
CmRoddy 2 years ago