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Told you all I'd upload this at a later date... I'm a man of my word : )

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[BrianTheGoldfish]

I'd love to enter into some sort of debate about free will and determinism but I'm too distracted by that Kia-Ora shirt. I want that shirt. I want it and I'm not sure why I want it.

[LatumWay]

@BrianTheGoldfish Its rather good, isn't it?

[PerilocutionAZ09]

I've never understood how people get from saying that actions are products of natural forces just like everything else, to saying that we can't do things like punish people and praise people.

It's just a complete non sequitur.

[LatumWay]

@PerilocutionAZ09 Its because they believe that the actions are therefore not coming from a sense of morality that we can exercise freely, but from neutral, uncaring natural forces. Therefore, people cannot be held accountable for their actions because in reality they didn't choose to do it.

Why? Do you think differently? I'd love to hear your response (and I'm not being sarcastic btw).

[TheOJDrinker]

Wait, haven't I seen this before?

[LatumWay]

@TheOJDrinker Yes, its from my 'Creept Theist is Creepy' video. Some people said I should upload it as a stand alone video, so I obliged : )

[LatumWay]

@rtottenc Its compatible with everything. Utilitarianism, yoghurt, jealousy, dust. Everything.

[LicoriceLain]

I used to do whatever other people told me to do, because I thought I was destined to do so. Then I found compatibilism and gained the inner strength to tell them were to stick it. Thanks compatibilism!

[BlackMagnumFilms]

Take that, determinism.

[etherealstill]

@LatumWay Could one not classify particular instances of "uncaring natural forces" as "moral" or "not moral"? An instance of events that could be classified as "moral" could include functional brain states (perhaps revealing "intent") and sets of physical circumstances that resulted in a gun being fired. Of course, the law couldn't possibly be rigorous enough to distinguish each instance set, but could describe each class and allow juries to decide if each instance belongs to it.

[TheGreatOldOnes]

I thought it said cannibalism

so disappointed....

[unclexbob]

the argument against determinism always amused me. It boils down to "I don't like the idea of it".

I don't like gravity either, yet there it is.

[Artifactorfiction]

@vaguelyhumanoid (2 of 2) - I just think on balance that determinism itself is unlikely in the light of quantum mechanics - and freewill, in the traditional sense, is illusionary - still maybe I'm pre-determined to think that way :-)

[Artifactorfiction]

@vaguelyhumanoid (1 of 2) Dennett makes a good case for Compatibilism via underminng traditional definitions of freewill and using a definition of freewill closer to liberty - and I do get his point - but if we are talking about what most think freewill is then I don't see how it exists - whether reality is deterministic or not -

[vaguelyhumanoid]

@Artifactorfiction Well, being a compatibilist, I believe that free will refers to conscious voluntary choice. I can't see how one can deny that.

[Artifactorfiction]

@vaguelyhumanoid (2 of 2) To put it another way - where reality will 'be' next' is constrained by the current state - but this doesn't give total flexibility which I think the word 'random' implies.

[Artifactorfiction]

@vaguelyhumanoid (1 of 2) No I don't think everything is random - just not all pre-determined. If you could know the complete state of the universe at a specific moment in time you could predict the probabilities of each and every possible state the universe is going to evolve to but only when some 'next' state happens can you know for sure which occurred - still no room for free will.