The Scottish National Party are to hold their annual conference, and John Swinney talks about possible Scottish devolution from England, and how that would work for their economy, and defence etc..
Recorded from BBC Daily Politics, 21 October 2011.
@tpvalley 40-100 years, yes they do, but they put more back in to the English Treasury than they recieve, they have also ran a surplus for decades, and they have a far lower deficit relative to the UK size deficit. How many times must this be explained ? lol.
But in the end. Each other is all we have. We are a nation of many counties & that is our strength. In time. That strengh will be tested. I hope we will all remain as one & persevere. Long Live The United Kingdom & Her territories overseas.
Lulz. Devolution for Scotland. I left the U.K at 23 as i disagreed with politics & the principles of what our once proud nation stood for. ( After serving three years of war in Afghanistan ) However. Only uneducated delinquents crave for such things. As a humble patriot. I see no gain in devolution for Scotland. The United Kingdom was & still is in my opinion. The greatest nation on earth. It is our differences & our uniqueness that makes us what we are. Sometimes we may not like each other
That's up to England, I suppose, but given they didn't even resort to that after the Irish became independent, after centuries of armed struggle and a bitter war, I hardly expect Scotland and England to resort to border controls after a peaceful referendum.
@tpvalley "so where is the line drawn as far as nations splitting goes?"
Who feels enough of a need to become a separate nation on the one hand, and who's belligerent enough to used armed force to deny other people their rights on the other. Without both of those, there's no line.
"would both my garden and scotland have services cut off"
Unless you're specifically buying them, of course. The difference is that Scotland will probably fare better than you will supplying them itself.
Except you're then in the position of Norway, in which you must toe the line of rules made by someone else, in which you have no say, or be cut off. If they Scots can live with that, fair enough.
@tpvalley "but scots in the UK army sign a contract to stay for a given time. "
Yeah, and? So what? So they serve their whatever years and either re-enlist, become civilians, or join Scotland's army. This is hardly more an issue than pointing out they still have to pay off the cars they've bought and their mortgages.
@tpvalley 40-100 years, yes they do, but they put more back in to the English Treasury than they recieve, they have also ran a surplus for decades, and they have a far lower deficit relative to the UK size deficit. How many times must this be explained ? lol.
MrKinloch999 1 month ago
@PatchesRips
scotlands oil and gas wont last too long evidently.
Also, did u know at present the scotts get more spent on them per person than people in england?
tpvalley 1 month ago
But in the end. Each other is all we have. We are a nation of many counties & that is our strength. In time. That strengh will be tested. I hope we will all remain as one & persevere. Long Live The United Kingdom & Her territories overseas.
tartan1985 1 month ago
Lulz. Devolution for Scotland. I left the U.K at 23 as i disagreed with politics & the principles of what our once proud nation stood for. ( After serving three years of war in Afghanistan ) However. Only uneducated delinquents crave for such things. As a humble patriot. I see no gain in devolution for Scotland. The United Kingdom was & still is in my opinion. The greatest nation on earth. It is our differences & our uniqueness that makes us what we are. Sometimes we may not like each other
tartan1985 1 month ago
@tpvalley "and not be allowed to enter england?"
That's up to England, I suppose, but given they didn't even resort to that after the Irish became independent, after centuries of armed struggle and a bitter war, I hardly expect Scotland and England to resort to border controls after a peaceful referendum.
PatchesRips 1 month ago
@tpvalley "so where is the line drawn as far as nations splitting goes?"
Who feels enough of a need to become a separate nation on the one hand, and who's belligerent enough to used armed force to deny other people their rights on the other. Without both of those, there's no line.
"would both my garden and scotland have services cut off"
Unless you're specifically buying them, of course. The difference is that Scotland will probably fare better than you will supplying them itself.
PatchesRips 1 month ago
@PatchesRips
so where is the line drawn as far as nations splitting goes?
If my garden was independEnt like scotland wants to be, would both my garden and scotland have services cut off and not be allowed to enter england?
tpvalley 1 month ago
@tpvalley "a trade agreement would do with EU."
Except you're then in the position of Norway, in which you must toe the line of rules made by someone else, in which you have no say, or be cut off. If they Scots can live with that, fair enough.
PatchesRips 1 month ago
@tpvalley "but scots in the UK army sign a contract to stay for a given time. "
Yeah, and? So what? So they serve their whatever years and either re-enlist, become civilians, or join Scotland's army. This is hardly more an issue than pointing out they still have to pay off the cars they've bought and their mortgages.
PatchesRips 1 month ago
@tpvalley And, for the record, there's no "a" in either "independent" or "independence". No ants or dances.
PatchesRips 1 month ago