Rook Hawkins of Rational Response Squad on Pontius Pilate

"Againstallgods" asks... What about Pontius Pilate? Is there a historical record?

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[bykini]

It might be interesting, what you said. Unfortunately, You're rather bad to read. Please consider, that internet is an international channel for communication. So, I am located in Germany, and I would appreciate a more "loud and clear" pronounciation. Thanks.

[obrienr]

You are full of excrement. Pilate relented when Jesus' opponents threatened him by saying that if he released Jesus he was "no friend of Caesar," which is a statement that would have made just about any Roman official think twice.

[Pilgrim1411]

Rook is a deceiver. Read:

JESUS AND THE EYEWITNESSES by, Bauckham;

THE RESURRECTION OF THE SON OF GOD, by N.T. Wright;

REINVENTING JESUS, by J. Komoszewski,

THE JESUS LEGEND, By Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd;

THE HISTORICAL JESUS, by Habermas;

SHATTERING THE CHRIST MYTH, by Holding;

TRUSTING THE NEW TESTAMENT, by Holding

[DrEinstein100]

@christianthinker When he says that the Bible makes Pilate out to be a nice man, he is wide of the mark, read Luke 13:1-5.

[DrEinstein100]

Rook, as to the tradition. It was pilot's tradition not a Jewish tradition. It had nothing to do with the scapegoat sacrifice spoken of in the old testament. You are right about Pilate becoming a Christian probably being a myth, but I you seem to be overly stating you knowledge of his motives. If you look at it rationally after reading from Josephus the gospel's description is quite believable. Pilot was a bad ruler, but not a man who just killed for the fun of it ( if we trust Josephus).

[DrEinstein100]

@MChurchman @MChurchman I don't think that he was portrayed as nice guy ether. In Luke 23:12 it says that he and Herod became friends on that day, and Herod was far from a good man, so what does that say about pilot. I read from Josephus, and from what I can make out, Pilot thought that that he was putting down some sort of insurrection. He acted foolishly, and was overly harsh, but he does not seem to be so bad a man as Rook would have us , if we are to believe Josephus.

[IwillhonorGod]

I am not no expert. And this non sence people want to talk about the bible not being true. Give me a break! But just I wonder, what pilate thought, in regards to Jesus. And the things I think maybe, I don't know for sure, but I think maybe, he heard of some of Jesus healings and miracles, and I wonder if pilate thought of any of these things in regards to military applications.

[christianthinker]

Wow! What a shoddy polemic! Nothing rational about anything you had to say. Atheists like to pick on Josephus and ignore the rest of the Church Fathers.

[MChurchman]

Didn't Jospehus write under the influence of Rome? Josephus was also Jewish right? So if Pilate was a ruler that was removed from power and did not get along with the Jewish people,is it then also possible that Josephus' bias may have come through in his portrayal of Pilate? To be honest I don't even think Pilate is portrayed as being all that nice a guy in the Gospels to begin with but these are just some thoughts about your responses Rook.

[andrewsurtees]

finally, a post that allows comments.

nobody's saying that none of this happened, just that it didn't necessarily happen as it was related

[danjoeblue]

I don't think your argument should cause us to totally dismiss what is written about Jesus. The context of 18:63 is the acts of Pilate. The ripple effects from Jesus were spreading far, wide & fast by Josephus' time. I think it's very unlikely that a historian would fail to mention the founder of this fast growing group in the context of Pilate- the man who was responsible for the founders crucifixion. I think it's more unlikely than not mentioning him because of some "contempt", as you said.

[danjoeblue]

Thank you. It's good to have someone who knows something about this. I grow weary of teenagers who have never even cracked Josephus who try to debate this topic.

You said,

"However remarking Pines is not a Christian is hardly a valid argument"

My comment about Pines was a response to your earlier comment that this was "a minority sport for a few Christians." I was refuting your claim that only a "few Christians" debate this point. This was the intention of the remark. Does that make sense?