The Border Reivers

A short extract from Jim Webb's documentary - 'Born Fighting - How the Scots-Irish Shaped America' about the culture of the Reivers of the borderlands between Scotland & England, many of whom were exiled to Ulster in King James' Plantation.
Please visit: http://www.forgedinulster.com

Category:

Education

Tags:

• border reivers
• reivers
• borderers
• scots
• english
• horsemen
• clan
• kin
• warriors
• ulster
• ulster scots
• scotland
• england
• northern ireland
• america
• usa
• history
• heritage
• genealogy
• educational
• military

[irishaware]

The scots irish means literally the Irish Irish.

Scots is Roman Latin for Irish people.

Religious nonsense and invented history has bigots swallowing this nonsense.

The other irony is, the reivers themselves are very likely descended from Irish mercenaries fighting at Bannockburn and period battles.

Known fact that thousands of Irish Munster men, on their Irish Hobby horses were prized fighters. So much for Mr Webbs research nonsense.

[scotinulster]

@irishaware Scot does not literally mean Irish. It may refer to a specific tribe in Ulster or a latin word for 'raider'. Also, Caledonia (as Scotland was called then) was already widely populated by Picts & Britons before the arrival of the Scotti. The first know human settlement in Ireland is at Mountsandel in Co. Londonderry. All evidence suggests Ireland's first people came from what is now Scotland so maybe it's more accurate to say Scots-Irish means Scots-Scots!...

[scotinulster]

@irishaware ...(cont.) What sources do you cite that the Reivers were of Irish Munster stock? First i've heard of it. The Reviers were already established on the Scottish-English border before the battle of Bannockburn. Also, i see no evidence that the surnames of the Border Reiver families originate in Munster.

[armaghlore]

THERE IS A TRUE SCOTS IRISH CULTURE AND IT HAS ITS ORIGINS IN THE GAELIC LANGUAGE AND THE GEOGRAPHICAL PROXIMITY THERE IS NO ULSTER SCOTS LANGUAGE VBE OR VERY BAD ENGLISH IS ASSOCIATED ONLY WITH RURAL PROTESTANTS MAINLY ALONG THE ARDS PENINSULA AND UNKNOWN OR UNHEARD TO THE URBAN LOYALIST BUT IF PEOPLE PERCEIVE AS 'THEIR' THEBN THAT'S FINE WE IRISH CAN STILL FIND MUCH IN COMMON WITH THEM

FROM A REIVER DESCENDENT

[scotinulster]

@armaghlore Please don't comment in all caps, it makes you seem arrogant... but then if you think that everyone south of the Highland Border Fault speaks in how you describe as Very Bad English shows evidence that you are both arrogant & disrespectful. The Scots tongue is spoken by the huge majority of Scottish people and quite a few in Ulster. As for your point that it is unknown by 'urban loyalists,' you seem to be implying that by contrast urban nationalists are all fluent in Irish Gaelic?...

[scotinulster]

Also...your generous offer that you can still find much in common with your poor, lesser and uncultured protestant neighbours (who of course aren't true Scots-Irish, as apparently only the Gaels have a true Scots-Irish culture) is patronising in the extreme. How can you have much in common with those you obviously have no respect for?

[irishaware]

Irish hobby horse fighters were hired in thousands by both sides at Bannockburn and before.#

The Reivers are Irish, southern Irish, Munster stock.