Communism: Misconceptions

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[iliB92]

i see how communism can work theoretically, but in reality? i can't picture it. humans will always be levelled against each other. how is it viable when things such as intelligence and job status come into play? should a criminal be 'equal' to an intelligent and prospectful member of society? what about disability? hmm this is interesting.. haha

[Sovietcomrade232]

@iliB92 Can you please explain to me what you believe communism is? Because if I understand you correctly, you seem to believe the same messed up idea of what communism is that most other believe.

[iliB92]

@Sovietcomrade232 um ok, thanks for suggesting my ideas are 'messed up'. i watched your video which raised these questions so i guess you havnt explained it well enough and r judging me for your insufficient explanation. would u be so kind as to tell me than what communism is, then? my questions were to you. sorry if u mistook them as rhetorical.

[Sovietcomrade232]

@iliB92 That's because its part of a series that I haven't finished because I'm lazy >_<. Communism is just a theory explaining who society has developed and will develop. It has little to do with economics in the since of the Soviet Union. It stress economics as the driving force, but I did nothing to say how it would manifest when communism was achieve. This "command economy" that the USSR used was there way of applying communist theory. Problem is that (see post 2)

[Sovietcomrade232]

@Sovietcomrade232 (post 2) communism is so vague, there's no specific way is implement it. The Soviets tried to bring about communism early rather then allow it to develop. Speed up the process so to speak. But when building an economy to achieve the set of principles that communism should have (equality, to each according to need etc) there's no one way to do it. They tried a state controlled command economy. That didnt work. But thats not the only way to do it.

[matt4787]

@matt4787 If the government doesn't tell you where to work as you say. If the government doesn't tell what resources need to be made and the prices of said products (which is impossible). Then how do I work? How does society ensure I am a productive citizen instead of a burden. What if everyone wants an easy job and no one wants to put in the work to be an engineer or a doctor? How would your communism handle that? Also a simple question. Define a need.

[matt4787]

If after all that he can sell it per unit above the total manufacturing cost he can make profit. But if the idea is bad he will lose money but the laborers will still get paid. The point is their is an objective factor in if a capitalist profits or has losses. Losses being attached to an owner are very important because it fixes the allocation of the resources to a more economically efficient area. (cont.)

[matt4787]

So you use an example. 10,000 dollars in labor for a capitalist to make 100,000 dollar salary. For one if it is a business it is not a salary the owner has but profit. The laborers are not forced to take that job and work at that wage. Then add in equipment/tools cost, electricity, manufacturing overhead and all the other costs attached to selling that product. The value from that product is not given by the laborers but by the allocation of the capital. (cont)

[matt4787]

So a person invests 10,000 in labor and additional money in equipment/tools and also the means to sell this item they are creating. They are creating value. The laborers are doing a job and a lot of times they are also trained for that job. They are a piece of the role but they are not the major piece. The major piece in the capital itself that is allocated to the project. It the project/business is efficient then the owner profits. If not they have a loss and the laborers are still paid.

[Klender]

Communism does not have an established government, what you are referring to is socialism. Where in the original concept of communism is the absolute goal of socialism. By peaceful removal of government can a true communist utopia flourish. Moreover, a Socialist democracy would have to be formed in the united states before communism to set the ground work. Also toting around the hammer and sickle will only continue to perpetuate misconceptions you are trying to extinguish.

[XSilvenX]

I'm thankful that people are smart enough to realize that communism is not equivalent to dictatorship. Democracy and communism are not mutually exclusive. Mismanagement of resources and the disastrous dictatorships killed those people (Mao, Stalin etc), not communism. Too many people read NO history and get their information from TV.

[DrFruedienslip]

@Sovietcomrade232 Any true communal life would be everyone working together for the same cause' however what is any cause, any equality can only be earned within having any and all respect for every position which helps to maintain any and all human subsistence, however' unlike other species we use up natural resources which within any expansion will exponentially consume natural resources because we have lost any ability to live as free range foragers due to any and all technological evolution

[jimprjayp]

The fact that you call anyone who doesn't agree with you ignorant, stupid or any other derogatory term or even their thinking referred to as these derogatory terms is EXACTLY why communism won't work. Not to mention the fact that you think communism is a form of economy. It isn't.

[garrysmodsroxs]

is this just Communism in general or is this Marxism? Because in the Communist Manifesto it says "the dictatorship of the proletariat"

[EnjoiDacyn]

@ninjapirate0507 Yes the ussr stands for Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. All i am saying is how soviet refers to a council within the workers. Although this word is commonly linked to the USSR. Comrade I am not here to put you down i just simply have a slightly different idea of the word soviet.