Arminians/Semi-Pelagians Teach and Believe in Limited Atonement.

"Let there be no misunderstanding at this point. The Arminian limits the atonement as certainly as does the Calvinist. The Calvinist limits the extent of it in that he says it does not apply to all persons (although as has already been shown, he believes that it is efficacious for the salvation of the large proportion of the human race); while the Arminian limits the power of it, for he says that in itself it does not actually save anybody. The Calvinist limits it quantitatively, but not qualitatively; the Arminian limits it qualitatively, but not quantitatively. For the Calvinist it is like a narrow bridge which goes all the way across the stream; for the Arminian it is like a great wide bridge which goes only half-way across...."

- Loraine Boettner


(Posted with permission of CrossTV
Part of the series "The Sovereignty of God" http://www.crosstv.com )

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[revstuw]

Wow,

if I just defined Pelgianism & it's main tenants, what is so hard about deducing Semi from that? We both know exactly what your trying to say & I am trying to graceful here that you are way out of bounds. But clearly do I need to spell it out my friend? If I asked you to define "Classic" Arminian Theology, you would be lost as many 5 pointer's of which you no doubt are.

[LaneCh]

lol, so you don't really know the difference. That's all you had to say, but I'm glad you said a little more now namely implying that I'm lost so I have good reason to block you now. Perhaps next time you should actually know what you're attempting to dispel before you actually attempt to dispel it then call the person who knows better, "lost". I wish to waste no further time dealing with such ignorance with some who also displays such willful incompetence.

[revstuw]

Pelagius' view essentially denied the work of the Messiah (Pelagius personally preferring 'teacher' or 'master' to any epithet implying divine power).

If you would now take the writings of Jacob Arminus, then you will see clearly what I mean my friend.

[LaneCh]

Well, that's all nice and good if I would have asked you to define Pelagianism, but I asked you specifically to define Semi-Pelagianism which you have failed to do as of yet. Are you even familiar with what this system is? If so, then why do you persist with your straw man that someone is saying that Arminianism is synonymous to Pelagianism?

[revstuw]

The age old argument that Arminian Theology is in any way related to Pelegianism is truly "heresy". One needs only to read the teachings of Pelegus & than Jacob Arminius.

al

[LaneCh]

Are you familiar with what Semi-Pelagianism is?  If so, define it.

[motibi]

To ARMINIANS -Romans 11:32 "for God has shut up all to unbelief, that he might have mercy on all".

To CALVINISTS -1 Timothy 4:10"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of ALL MEN ESPECIALLY y of those believing."

DOUBTERS I Cor. 15:23-28"But every man in his own order:..For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet..last enemy...destroyed is DEATH... Son also Himself be subject unto Him..that God may be ALL IN ALL"

[SuperDonster]

Amen and Amen. I usually say this: If there where 1,000,000 ppl on earth and God let thm choose to accept Him or not, how many would accept? According to Rom3:10-11,Psa14:2-3; 58:3; the answer is ZERO. Well, wht if God decided? How many would He save? We don't know exactly but we do know that God would save MORE than ZERO. Therefore, God's election is more merciful than if it was left up to man's free will to decide. Rev7:9 says God is going to save a number that we can't numbered. Praise God!

[toobfunnybunny]

@reformedman

agreed. 

[toobfunnybunny]

@LaneCh

yeah, what lane said.

[neborg67]

@reformedman

Wow, the arrogance of Calvinism ... you are the enlightened ones.

Firstly, this was never a debate about which of the two systems are right. It was about accurately representing the system.

Secondly, you haven't provided any specific argument from John 6 or Eph 2.... It's not like Arminians have never come across these passages.

Thirdly I accept your withdrawal of your claim that Arminianism gives man the Glory seeing you cannot back your claim.

[reformedman]

@neborg67 Ephesians 2 and John 6 refer only to spiritual activity, not to the physical activities of walking and talking. It appears you are not even trying to comprehend, it is as if your ears are not only closed but that something is purposely closing them.

[neborg67]

@reformedman

I see you have made not refuted my refutation of your accusation that Glory goes to man under Arminianism. I suggest you either refute my argument, or withdraw your claim.

[neborg67]

@reformedman Oh dear,

typical Calvinism, reading too much into the imagery of death. You know, dead bodies also can't walk or talk, so guess according to your logic, we must be regenerated to do that too...

As for Gen 3 and the fall, it appears you are struggling to differentiate between semi-pelagianism and Arminianism. You should know that Arminianism does not deny the effects of the fall. Again... prevenient grace is what is needed to over come this.

[reformedman]

@neborg67 on your first paragraph--Ephesians 2, John 6

on your second paragraphy--you are getting close to the answer, you almost got it. Next time you visit a funeral, look at the body and imagine making it an offer. Please understand that what happened in the foundation of the book of Genesis in chapter 2 and 3 are REAL, it is not figurative, it is real. That being the case, meditate over this, and fully investigate what it actually was that happened to mankind that day.

[neborg67]

@reformedman

So seem to think if man being able to reject God (by God choosing not to act irresistibly) somehow gives man glory. This is a presuposition which needs to be proven.

By that same token, seeing you think it's mans lack of choice which makes man not responsible for salvation, you are left with a problem. Calvinism, generally being deterministic, negates any real choice in any matter including sin. By your own standard, this should negate mans resposibility for his "choice" of sin .