Re: Declaration of self-ownership CHALLENGE
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This video is a response to Declaration of self-ownership CHALLENGE
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I am working on a video (series) in defense of Social Contract, probably due out after the holidays.
sorienor 3 years ago
My pleasure conversing with you. Please feel free to contact me anytime you wish.
Sepero1 3 years ago
You're right, it is not a voluntary interaction but then again it is a really bad simile to what goes on in a contract society and thus is completely meaningless.
Oh, and nice avoiding the statements I posted.
sorienor 3 years ago
I proceed to provide 'security service' for you, then point a gun at you, and extract funds from you, and say "this is protection money you owe me"- that cannot justifiably considered a voluntary interaction.
Sepero1 3 years ago
I agree that society should be voluntary, but most people volunteer without realizing it. Any time you gain a benefit from specialization or collective effort, you have volunteered.
To sit there and reject the contract society while reaping the benefits you receive from it it just not a defensible position.
sorienor 3 years ago
"What you don't realize..."
No, I fully realize it, and reject it. These are not exclusive options.
I understand that a social contract can be agreed to be some, but I do not believe that makes it justifiably applicable to all. Doing so is an argument for 'might makes right'.
Taking the argument of 'might makes right' can equally be used to justify the Nazi's.
I believe that every person must be allowed to find their own voluntary place in society.
Sepero1 3 years ago
It can be voluntary, even if not always so. What you don't realize is that you are living under such a contract right now even if you reject it. Specialization is the tangible result of the social contract.
I also reject the classical definitions of social contract because they were before the theory of evolution that explains how the contract came about and continues to work.
sorienor 3 years ago
"I was talking social contract. Voluntary surrender of certain freedoms to gain a bigger benefit."
If it were voluntary, then it wouldn't be a social contract. By definition, a social contract is not agreed to, thus involuntary.
I personally reject all involuntary contracts from individuals or imaginary entities.
Sepero1 3 years ago
Tool.
Person009 3 years ago
Not too bad, a reasoned rebuttal to childish selfish statements.
Amiduffer 4 years ago