Well from what little I've read of Gerald Massey I don't agree with him about much, but I have to say I agree with him about Paul - the guy was a total lunatic.
Okay. This has gotten out of control. If the people of Qemt were 'Afro-Asiatic' does that make them less 'Black' in the modern use of the term in America? 'Pure' races do exist in isolation. The modern world has less racial-convergence than divergence but historically this is due to 'racialism' and the construct that the Caucasian is at the top of the pyramid and only the Sub-Saharan African' is a 'true Negro, hence, why this group is dismissed from civilization or being civilizers.
Any 'normal' woman in a monogamous society - having lived more than 25 years and having had more than one or two intimate relationships is fully aware of her needs. Therefore, no 'normal' woman wants to have access to 72 virgins. Done maybe one or twice but 70 more times than that! Nah! Nothing but frustration and a waste of a 'washing my hair tonight' night.!!! This is not even a question of 'the flesh is willing..." LOL.
You are mixing things up. Muslim men do not 'cheat' on their wives if they are practicing the Sunna of having up to four wives - cavaet - he can afford up to four. 'Cheating' per se in a Muslim households is not forbidden as men have concubines. Christian marriages end in divorce as often as non-Christian. Monogamy without marriage is just stupid unless of course she has a subsistence order from the Family Court. So, a 'normal' man or 'woman' is pretty much a figment of society.
Some Muslims might spiritualize that view of the afterlife, but I think most throughout history have taken it literally. so basically you get access to the pleasure dome, if you're a good Muslim. I'm not a Muslim, I'm just telling you. people have different views of the afterlife. look at the Mormons. the traditional Christian view seems to be more of people being asexual. so they get mocked for having "no sex in heaven" while Muslims and Mormons get mocked for having sex in heaven.
I think it's pretty clear that the Muslim view of paradise in the afterlife is one of enhanced earthly delights. you get to have all the sex you want (and you will have incredible stamina), you get to drink all you want (and it won't make you drunk), you get shade, relaxation and tasty fruit served to you. it's the sort of thing that people in the arabian desert (yes, primarily men, but also women) would think sounded great.
@sitabanu how do you know? anyway, we're talking about what pious muslims are told they can expect in the afterlife.
what's "normal"? you might argue that a "normal" woman doesn't want to be bossed around by men her whole life and wear the hijab as well (though that would be western bias speaking). plenty of men don't sleep around/wouldn't cheat on their 1 spouse, but I don't hear you saying that's "abnormal"
@sitabanu so MLK was a preacher first, not a scholar. that doesn't excuse the plagiarism IN HIS ACADEMIC WORK though. I mean, if we insist on calling him "Dr. King."
he was a complex man, and he's remembered for his preaching and activism, not for being an academic. still, even if he'd plagiarized nothing, my point about the mythicism stuff still stands, and that's all most people are talking about here anyway. did anybody important ever give credence to Mythicism, in other words.
...and his , Muller, concept is confusion, i.e., Babel. If the meanings are obscured by intentionally employing the wrong language to translate 'Egyptian', and interpret it, then this misleads the student away from the truth and is - to my mind - the essence of evil -not sin - false construct. In short we cannot know the empiric 'truth' so 'truth' becomes subjective to profane mythology and imbued with the 'imagination' of men.
Well from what little I've read of Gerald Massey I don't agree with him about much, but I have to say I agree with him about Paul - the guy was a total lunatic.
chirectomy 3 months ago
@wayman29
does that mean his arguments are credible... or even scientific?
chica476 5 months ago
@XSC3
Okay. This has gotten out of control. If the people of Qemt were 'Afro-Asiatic' does that make them less 'Black' in the modern use of the term in America? 'Pure' races do exist in isolation. The modern world has less racial-convergence than divergence but historically this is due to 'racialism' and the construct that the Caucasian is at the top of the pyramid and only the Sub-Saharan African' is a 'true Negro, hence, why this group is dismissed from civilization or being civilizers.
sitabanu 5 months ago
Any 'normal' woman in a monogamous society - having lived more than 25 years and having had more than one or two intimate relationships is fully aware of her needs. Therefore, no 'normal' woman wants to have access to 72 virgins. Done maybe one or twice but 70 more times than that! Nah! Nothing but frustration and a waste of a 'washing my hair tonight' night.!!! This is not even a question of 'the flesh is willing..." LOL.
sitabanu 5 months ago
@XSC3
You are mixing things up. Muslim men do not 'cheat' on their wives if they are practicing the Sunna of having up to four wives - cavaet - he can afford up to four. 'Cheating' per se in a Muslim households is not forbidden as men have concubines. Christian marriages end in divorce as often as non-Christian. Monogamy without marriage is just stupid unless of course she has a subsistence order from the Family Court. So, a 'normal' man or 'woman' is pretty much a figment of society.
sitabanu 5 months ago
Some Muslims might spiritualize that view of the afterlife, but I think most throughout history have taken it literally. so basically you get access to the pleasure dome, if you're a good Muslim. I'm not a Muslim, I'm just telling you. people have different views of the afterlife. look at the Mormons. the traditional Christian view seems to be more of people being asexual. so they get mocked for having "no sex in heaven" while Muslims and Mormons get mocked for having sex in heaven.
XSC3 5 months ago
I think it's pretty clear that the Muslim view of paradise in the afterlife is one of enhanced earthly delights. you get to have all the sex you want (and you will have incredible stamina), you get to drink all you want (and it won't make you drunk), you get shade, relaxation and tasty fruit served to you. it's the sort of thing that people in the arabian desert (yes, primarily men, but also women) would think sounded great.
XSC3 5 months ago
@sitabanu how do you know? anyway, we're talking about what pious muslims are told they can expect in the afterlife.
what's "normal"? you might argue that a "normal" woman doesn't want to be bossed around by men her whole life and wear the hijab as well (though that would be western bias speaking). plenty of men don't sleep around/wouldn't cheat on their 1 spouse, but I don't hear you saying that's "abnormal"
XSC3 5 months ago
@sitabanu so MLK was a preacher first, not a scholar. that doesn't excuse the plagiarism IN HIS ACADEMIC WORK though. I mean, if we insist on calling him "Dr. King."
he was a complex man, and he's remembered for his preaching and activism, not for being an academic. still, even if he'd plagiarized nothing, my point about the mythicism stuff still stands, and that's all most people are talking about here anyway. did anybody important ever give credence to Mythicism, in other words.
XSC3 5 months ago
@KamiteGnostic
...and his , Muller, concept is confusion, i.e., Babel. If the meanings are obscured by intentionally employing the wrong language to translate 'Egyptian', and interpret it, then this misleads the student away from the truth and is - to my mind - the essence of evil -not sin - false construct. In short we cannot know the empiric 'truth' so 'truth' becomes subjective to profane mythology and imbued with the 'imagination' of men.
sitabanu 5 months ago