Post Tribulation Rapture - Disproving Pre-trib in 3 Steps!

3 easy steps to disproving the pre-tribulation rapture theory.


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[beet74]

I have one question about a post tribulation rapture. We KNOW that part of the tribulation will be the rebuilding of the temple and the mark of the beast. If we can determine that the tribulation is ongoing, we would have a very good idea when Christ would return. However, Christ said that NO ONE would know. (except the Father of course) How do you reconcile that information? We cannot know when He will return, however, knowing we are in the Tribulation would give us that information.

[skydiver626]

@beet74 Correction: No One will know the DAY or the HOUR. But we are required to know the season. That's why Christ used the analogy of the fig tree. BTW, even with the post-trib view, you are unable to pinpoint a particular day. If you try to do it using scripture, you'll be unsuccessful.

[ksvillani]

Post tribulation can be disproven in 1 step by saying that "even if at this moment the tribulation began you are telling me that the Lord will not rapture the church until 7 years in time." by making this statement you post tribulation theorists are declaring 'when 'the so called rapture will take place. At least 7 years from now, thus removing freewill, defining an hour in futurist history is contrary to the word. 1 step. There is no mid or post tribulation position in the bible .

[skydiver626]

@ksvillani Even with a post-trib view, no one can pinpoint a day or hour using scripture so the rhetoric you're spewing out is fully inaccurate. What can be determined is that there's actually a small window between the end of the great tribulation and the Millennial Reign that Daniel eludes to at the end of his book that provides true believers with a specific TIMEFRAME to expect Christ's return. The devil uses an early pre-trib theory to blind the church of this Scriptural fact.

[beet74]

Rather than argue when the Tribulation occurs or when the Rapture occurs, we can all agree that following Christ is the important issue. We need to spend each day as if it were our last one on earth and follow what our Lord taught us.

[ncgingergigi]

@vattee There is only one resurrection!!! T

THE DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST!! Then we who remain will be given gloriedfied bodies! Are you talking about the Book of Life?.....we will be judged from the book of life!!! Rev. 20 is another account of 1Thess!!

[ncgingergigi]

@beet74 We can know the season....FEAST OF TRUMPETS!! At the sound of the last trumpet!!!

[JoeCoolRoxYou]

@ksvillani The tribulation is only 3 1/2 years. So much false teaching going around. Look at Daniel 9:27. 3 1/2 years has happened. Yahushua was cut off in the middle of the 7 years. Doing a little study and pray and the Ruach Hakodesh will open your eyes and you will know the truth. Peace out...

[vattee]

There is an EASIER way,

1. There are only TWO resurrections in Rev 20. FIRST is for life. SECOND is for judgment. If there were a Secret rapture Before or In the trib, the ORDER in 1Thess is: "FIRST the dead in Christ THEN we who are still alive". So in Rev 20, those would be the SECOND and the THIRD resurrections!!! NO! The FIRST resurrections is Rev 19-20. At rapture there are also BIRDS eating the dead corps. You can read Luk 17:37 and Rev 19:17-18 for it. Rapture is immed. before Armaggedon.

[vattee]

@beet74 Read the parable of the Widow and the Unjust Judge. This prayer is that we will ask God to make justice. And HE WILL DO ASAP. Chirst will shorten the days for us. (So the exact timing can't be determined.) But He asks: will He find faith on earth when He comes back?

[beet74]

I believe the Tribulation begins when the Anti-Christ makes a seven year treaty with Israel and we know the Temple must be rebuilt because the Anti-Christ stops sacrifice in it during the Tribulation. Also the Evil One will also stand in the Temple declaring he is God, so there must be a Temple for him to do this. What is most important however, is that we live each day for Christ, no matter when we think the Rapture will happen.

[Myhopeisinhim]

@FlashGordon288

But the rapture happens at the start of the day of the Lord

[FlashGordon288]

@beet74 The video makes one mistake. It says, without any Biblical reference, that the Day of the Lord is the rapture. The Day of the Lord is actually the day of God's wrath.

[NickelsBuckingBulls]

@DanielGlock26 I cannot reply to your e-mail ask your questions again here on this video.

[NickelsBuckingBulls]

@DanielGlock26 Post-trib. Christ said(John14:3) I will come again. He never said I will come again twice. Also 1st Thessaloninas 4:15 says unto the coming of the Lord. A singular event(these are pre-trib mainstay verses 4:15-17) Now for the Big one Matthew 24:30 and they shall see the Son of man coming. Lookk back at verse 29 and see when that happens.

[ppdrawings]

@skydiver626 ! ! ! A M E N ! ! !

[Myhopeisinhim]

@thesmoonge

not appointed to wrath. That is so true. I have a question though. Does it mean that one is appointed to wrath if they are in the tribulation? If so, what about those who become believers during the trib and live to reign with Jesus in the millenium? Are they subject to wrath as they were on earth during trib?

Jesus was the firstfruit of the harvest.

[DanielGlock26]

@NickelsBuckingBulls what are your thought pre-trib or Post-trib and why?

[DanielGlock26]

@NickelsBuckingBulls Amen to that, I was referring to your comment at mrrangerman, I just think we should be as nice as possible don't want to let the discussion turn into anger, or push anyone away

[NickelsBuckingBulls]

@DanielGlock26 To live is Christ to die is gain is in the Bible Paul talks about how much better it would be to be with Christ. I am not attacking anyone just quoting Bible scriptures.

[DanielGlock26]

@NickelsBuckingBulls hey man let's make sure were not attacking anyone, we all just have questions about certain things, i make sure I'm not attacking anyone's interpretation ;)

[NickelsBuckingBulls]

@DanielGlock26 You are right. The anti-christ will kill alot of Christians but who cares to live is Christ but to die is to gain.

[NickelsBuckingBulls]

@mrrangerman Revelation 4:1 is not the so called "rapture" Where do you get this garbage? You thinking 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 is your pre-tribulation so called "rapture" also. If they where both your "rapture" you would go right past Christ as you ascended to heaven because he is descending from heaven. Your are confused!

[DanielGlock26]

@mrrangerman ive been confused with this lately, It seems like there is more scripture pointing to the post tribulation or right before Christ comes back to destroy the enemies, but I don't think alot of us will be alive

[TheSmoonge]

@skydiver626 Look at it from a Hebraic perspective regarding harvest. At Passover, they were to harvest the first fruits and separate them from the rest of the field and take them to the Temple. Then, the rest of the field except for the four corners was to be harvested. Then the last part of the harvest included the four corners, which correlates to Matthew 24:31 and God sending His angels to gather the elect from the four corners of the earth. Also, Christians are NOT appointed unto wrath.

[mrrangerman]

PART 2 The "man of sin"(antichrist) 2The2:3 can not be revealed until the Holy Spirit is removed vs.7 We the children of God have the Holy Spirit living inside us, if the Holy Spirit is removed and the Christian left behind that would go against scripture, and make Jesus a liar as Jesus said "he would never leave us" Heb 13:5 and Matt 28:20 In Rev ch.1-3 Jesus talks to the church thats on earth, then in ch4 vs1 the rapture takes place "come up hither" and the church is not mentioned after that.

[mrrangerman]

PART 1 You need to study a little bit more, "the day of the Lord" is NOT the rapture, in 1Thes4:14-18 Paul is talking about the rapture, he is giving events in order "caught up together"(rapture). then Cpt 5 is talking about the tribulation(day of the Lord). He again does the same thing in 2Thes2 Verse 1 is the rapture "our gathering together unto him". Then in vs. 2 "the day of Christ" here again this is the tribulation.