Bob Enyart - Open Theism Seminar

4 minutes of a 5 hour seminar on Open Theism by Bob Enyart given in Indianapolis, IN on Jan 27, 2007. Enyart is an Open Theist and shows how the open view is true to the bible and a much more accurate view of who God is then are other views such as Arminianism and Calvinism. Check out Bob's radio show online at WWW.KGOV.COM

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[OUSoonerJedi]

Clearly the idea that God knows the future exhaustively is something the Bible doesn't specifically say. This is something posited on the text, either because we detect an inferance, or because that's how we've determined God should be like.

[SurvivorsIndiana]

That's right. Many think that God knows the future as completely settled because that is how they think God ought to be. What is usually referred to as Dignum Deo - what it is dignified for God to be.

You can't start with that. You must start with God revealed in scripture.

[punchurtowes]

God said to Abraham, "NOW, I know that you fear me". Deal with it, he is a person, not a machine.

[punchurtowes]

God said, I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the outcry against it that has come to Me. God says he is not in all places at all times. For example, he is not in hell, where RJLoki is going.

[CBALLEN]

God must keep His restraining power on each and everyone of us,if not man would destroy himself very quickly.During the tribulation God will remove His restraining power and man will absolutely lose his mind committing evil and if those days aren't shortened for the sake of the elect,there would be no flesh left alive.

[RomansGalatians]

@punchurtowes Yes, a machine can be manipulated, changed, rebuilt and improved by the hands of man. Only an infinite God can restore the heart of man. To say that our hearts are in the hands of God is not saying that we are machines. Though, it is saying that we are created.

When the Humanists fancy that they can change their own hearts, really they are deluded that they are god. Humility does not confess that we are machines, but that we indeed, are clay in the hands of God. (not man)

[RomansGalatians]

@OBAMAINFANTICIDE Men cannot change their own hearts. Humanists trust in the strength of their own hands to change their hearts. Christians trust in Christ.

Do we make choices independent of our hearts? "Free will" means free from external forces, NOT detached and separate from our own hearts! Man, a choice independent of my OWN SELF wouldn't even be MY choice.

[RomansGalatians]

@OBAMAINFANTICIDE Probably one of the most misstated points about Calvinism is: Calvinists believe that men do not have wills. That is not Calvinism.

Christians love, desire and choose Christ because that is what they want. Condemned people hate and reject Christ because that is what they want. Both Arminians and Calvinists agree on this point; this is not the issue.

The issue is WHY? Why do you want what you want? Because you changed your OWN heart to love what you didn't love before?

[mad6andchili]

@OBAMAINFANTICIDE I have talked Open Theism with Pastor Bob to his face, he didn't really point to anything. haha. I guess if you can point to one passage in the bible where God reacts to humanity where God reacts to humanity in context I will hand it to you. I can point out one where God says Jesus will come to stomp the devil Gen. 3:5, that was 6 thousand years before it happened man. What do you do with that?

[OBAMAINFANTICIDE]

@RomansGalatians You should talk about it with Enyart on his show he does 5 days a week. I'm sure he'd be glad to devote an entire half hour show to it to show you that God reveals that the future is open to Him and that He actually responds to what men do.

[OBAMAINFANTICIDE]

@mad6andchili There's a gazillion passages in the bible that show God responding to what men do and recognizing real options for God to take along with some prophecies that DON'T COME TO PASS due to future circumstances/conditions.

Call into Bob Enyart's show and discuss it with him and he'll school you on it and you'll have that lesson on audio for yourself and others to listen to in the future.

[RomansGalatians]

Bob Enyart is Armenian! I'm crushed. Enyart is one of the coolest Christians on the planet, but he's wrong here.

Armenians, understand that Calvinists are not talking about surface issues. Yes, of course, a saved man has a will that desires and freely chooses Christ. But ask the question: WHY? Why does he want what he wants?

Man is powerless over sin; yet he is responsible for it. Both are true. Yet, it's not really discernable if you stay on a surface level.

[mad6andchili]

I don't understand how you can read the bible and not think that God has created and knows the future. Like, honestly? I mean...I don't think that there is a book in the bible that doesn't either mention or fulfill prophecy. You have to throw out, pretty much the entire bible after Genesis 5 or 6, with the aftermath of the fall. I just don't get it.