Martha Argerich plays Schumann piano concerto - medici.tv

Listen to Arrau's Schumann Concerto here on youtube,... thats the best rendition of this concerto,... both technically and musically

"But truth is not subjective. In this video, either Argerich played beautifully or she didn't."

You're an idiot. Do you know what an opinion is? I hate olives, I think they are disgusting. Some people think they are delicious. So olives are either disgusting, or delicious. Doesn't that sound retarded? Music and taste are COMPLETELY subjective. No one is wrong when it comes to their opinion. The only ones who are wrong are those trying to claim their opinion as some absolute truth...namely you.

I really have to watch the rest of this. Beautiful performance.

I see that many people think that famous musicians should never be criticized. They think Argerich is beyond reproach. But unless we separate the good from the bad in everyone's playing, how will we ever be able to play well ourselves?

The problem is that what is "good" and "bad" is a subjective matter in this case. I hear a ton of expression and emotion in this clip. You don't. Who is right, and who is wrong? There's no accounting for taste, and it will always come down to that.

However, I do believe that with musical maturity comes the ability to appreciate a greater variety of interpretations.

Well, the actual facts regarding someone's playing are not a subjective matter. Truth itself is never subjective. However, we are all limited in our consciousness; hence, different people perceive the same situation differently.

As far as Argerich's playing is concerned, yes, in a couple places, she did something nice. The rest was scattered, random, uneven, and sometimes even harsh. No musical integrity at all.

Well, I have very different ideas about music and art than you do, because I believe that interpretation is completely subjective. There are certainly some very famous pianists that I don't connect with, but I would never call them bad. They just aren't for me.

I hear amazing things in Argerich's playing, and the way I feel when I hear it is real. I guess you could just call your taste in music better than mine, but wouldn't that be a tad arrogant?

You might be right. Maybe Argerich really is expressing great things that I'm not hearing. What I can say is that I'm not hearing what you're hearing, and that I've never heard anything consistently beautiful in Argerich's playing.

But truth is not subjective. In this video, either Argerich played beautifully or she didn't. She couldn't have played with beauty AND at the same time played with no beauty. That would be a contradiction. One of us is wrong.

What I find most fascinating about this response is how it affirms the opposite in my eyes--
Well, the actual facts regarding someone's playing are not a subjective matter. Truth itself is never subjective, however, we are all limited in our consciousness; hence, different people perceive the same situation differently.

As far as Argerich's playing is concerned mostly the scattered, random, uneven, harsh qualities of schumann's torment were starkly defined against Argerich's agility and grace.

Khagar. I agree with what you say. Argerich IS above reproach. :)

Seriously though, if someone like yourself doesn't like something, no one will change their mind. Of course there are people like myself who think anything Martha plays is just perfect. You obviously don't like this sample. You must be hearing something I am not. The playing seems bang on to me.