Cardinal Newman' legacy shared by Catholics and Anglicans a

With the pending beatification of Cardinal John Henry Newman, Anglicans and Catholics alike are looking back and reflecting on the legacy he left behind for Christianity.

Born during the first half of the 19th century, Newman was baptized in the Church of England and was part of the evangelical movement there until 1845, when he converted to Roman Catholicism.

Over 150 years later, Newman is up for beatification by the Catholic Church. Its a move that some believe could pave the way for clear and concise dialogue between Anglicans and Catholics.

R. William Franklin, Ph.D.
Professor, Angelicum University (Rome)
It should stress in this beatification his gifts as an Anglican that he brought to the Catholic church, and what those did to further the reconciliation of Christianity.

Father William Franklin is a professor at the Angelicum University in Rome and a Newman Scholar. He says Newmans influence by and large shaped the mold of both Catholic and Anglican doctrine as we know it today.

R. William Franklin, Ph.D.
Professor, Angelicum University (Rome)
A focus on the church as a divine institution, a focus on bishops as successors of the apostles, a focus of a real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, a focus on the Eucharistic sacrifice. All of these are things which Anglicans hold in common with the catholic church. And one of the reasons we hold them in common is because of the deep influence of Newman.

And its this influence that continued to shape Catholic doctrine for years to come.

R. William Franklin, Ph.D.
Professor, Angelicum University (Rome)
Some people say hes one of the theologians of the 19th century who set the stage for Vatican two. For example, he wrote a very important short treatise on consulting the laity on the developing role of the laity. This is a very important Anglican principle which he brought into the Catholic Church.

Its widely expected that Pope Benedict XVI beatify John Henry Newman in England during the spring of 2010. He recently approved the miracle that paves the way for his beatification.

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Facist.

[19lfm12]

@CobinRain To complete my point: how can any man (str8 or gay) be a spiritual leader & counselor to others, if he has never had a normal, adult relationship with another human being - as an EQUAL? This is critical. Clergy culture is all dominant/submissive; there is no genuine equality. If a young man is schooled exclusively in this mode.....barring a lot of divine help.....he will never be able to deal with lay ppl as normal human beings.

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@CobinRain Spiritually, the only point of the circumcision is that Jesus subjected himself to the Law, like any other man.

Have not read that. The Gospels were NOT originally written in Greek; that came later. John wrote his own; the others are likely 'according to...', i,e, scribal in nature. The Gospel of Thomas, originally in Syriac, was brought to Egypt by Mark in c.40AD. The many Gospels would have been primary written in Hebrew/Aramaic, then scribed into other langauges soon after.

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@CobinRain There have always been a certain percentage of gay clergy. One problem is taking sexually & emotionally immature late adolescents & placing them in the all-male environment of the seminary. If starting in a junior seminary, as young as 13. No understanding or experience relating to women, or of ANY mature relationship.

How can one expect such men to be sexually mature? They cannot, as they do not understand themselves nor know how to have a relationship with another as an EQUAL.

[CobinRain]

@19lfm12 I can do trekkie. And(judging by your comment on the circumcision) I wonder if you have not been reading Geza Vermes "Jesus the Jew" ? Wildly scholarly effort(Vermes is Professor of Jewish Studies at Oxford) with a heavy payload. Have a read--easy to find on Amazon. Vermes's great strength is both is scholarship(he reads Latin, koine greek and aramaic and presents v good textual criticism. Including convincing arguments that Mathew Mark Luke and John are NOT written by those disciples.

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@CobinRain My point is NOT that Newman was 'bad' just because he was gay. Of itself, that is irrelevant. And it is far better for one to have a soul mate then to be searching for endless hook-ups.

The point is: the hypocrisy. Newman took a vow of celibacy, yet has the overt appearance of breaking it. And the Church is now pretending as if this part of his life did not exist. This is wrong on many levels.

From like sources, I would say the 50% figure is accurate.

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@19lfm12 Yes, Newman and his soul mate. Seems sad to me that they dug them up if I am serious. If they were real believers they were expecting to meet up again at the end of the world and be together.

I think gay clergy have always been the order of the day. A good friend who was a Dominican novice for a few years(and by no means a homophobe) told me he thought about 50% of his fellow novices were openly gay in a jokey sort of way--called each other alice & Bev and things and minced a bit.

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@CobinRain I think the point of the Feast of the Circumcision is that Jesus grew up as Jewish boy & followed the social & religious customs of 1st century Jew.

If you can see Time & Eternity as two parallel universes, then the construct of 'assumption 'is easier to grasp. Interdimensional transition. Moses, Elijah & Ezekiel are also known to have been 'assumed'.

Think of it in Trekkie terms; not of Baroque paintings.

[CobinRain]

@19lfm12 Thanks for clarifying Assumption! Actually I suspect that like me you had the "benefit" of a few years in Catholic school altho you clearly paid more attention than I did! For me those years marked my transition from choir boy to sex maniac, hence lack of attention to learned discourse. But now I remember. The "Assumption" of the BVM (pbuh)..oh, sorry wrong religion. I wonder if at the feast of the circumcision that part of the divine anatomy was assumed into heaven. Answers please...

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@CobinRain The last thing they need is to find a dead gay Cardinal & his significant other lovingly buried together. So they HAD to do 'something', regardless of precisely 'what'.

The funny thing to me was - for all the spin about the lack of remains, his grave marker indicates that both he & Ambrose are both in that plot:)