Economic Vs. Civil Liberties

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Which are more important, economic liberties or civil liberties? The conventional view portrays conservatives as caring more about economic liberties than civil liberties. Liberals, on the other hand, are conventionally viewed as caring about civil liberties more than economic liberties. To Prof. Aeon Skoble, this distinction between economic and civil liberties is fictitious. The influence of market exchanges and civil liberties on one another is inseparable.

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[PanzerDivisionBOM]

@KillerWhaleSFl

Actually, you can.

If you think your forebears were mistaken in establishing a division of labour, homesteading land and creating and accumulating capital, then you are free to separate from it. You will have that life which obtains in the absence of voluntary exchange with your betters - the life of Robinson Crusoe, left completely autonomous on his island, with no greedy tool-makers or tool-inheritors to deprive him of anything, and no callous bosses to exploit him.

[doctorlieberman]

@KillerWhaleSFl

You can do that, but you can't expect anything from society if you're not giving anything back.

[donfolstar]

What a tenuous link. What is the economic transaction of getting gay married? What is the civil argument for me selling cars that start on fire and kill all the passengers?

A "free" market is as terrifying as a world with no laws whatsoever. Personally, I like not being assaulted or constantly fearing that my food is poison- by all means regulate and legislate to take care of those things.

[Mezey5]

it is fun reading how absurd some of the stuff these "Money is evil" types say. Like calling money evil is saying a screwdriver is evil. Money is a tool people invented. A Medium of Exchange, instead of trying to figure out how many shirts are worth a hamburger. You use money, its similar to how English is used as a medium for the U.N. instead of each country needing hundreds of translators, they need one. Its just an efficient way to trade with one another.

[KillerWhaleSFl]

lol 35 responses from the free market capitalists and not one addresses the issue at hand. I think I struck a nerve

[ihatemoses]

my god i don't understand how the posting work on this. I'm new!!!!

[ihatemoses]

@KillerWhaleSFl

It's your fair share because Land is not the product of labor but the product of "God" if you wish, so instead of having some stupid dictator redistribute the land, and instead of having a bunch of mini-serfs controlling production, we redistribute the land based on it's value but in dollars.

[ihatemoses]

@KillerWhaleSFl

If we were to have all the land users pay a rent to all of society and then redistribute that amongst the people equally (known as the Citizen's Dividend), you would be able to use that money to pay for a piece of land equal in value. Since land values are much different based on it's resources and proximity to population, you would be able to get a couple feet in Los Angeles or a couple acres in Montana.

[ihatemoses]

@KillerWhaleSFl

You should look into some form of Left-Libertarianism. Geoanarchism would give you just what you want while allowing everyone else to work a lot less in a capitalist society.

[imsolive89]

@Ypsiroselee who cares about the goat , talk about how having a monopoly and marriage are the same thing according to this guy

[Ypsiroselee]

@imsolive89 If the goat freely gives consent to marrying you, tell me where you're registered, and I'll get you a gift.

[Jhraxlin]

@imsolive89 Well, the USA is called a free country, but that is a common misconception, it is the freest country in that you are allowed to think whatever you want without being punished for it and you are allowed to say many things (many, not all) that you think. A slightly more limited part is you are allowed to act on most of what you say (provided the laws of physics allow it.)