6. Richardson/Fields Debate - the cup

this debate IS IN PROGRESS and each part will be posted when it is finished over time. Proposition: The scriptures teach that a congregation must use only one cup of fruit of the vine when observing the Lord's Supper. Andrew Richardson affirms. Norm Fields Denies.

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[savinggrace4u2]

Hello - I would like to thank Brother Andrew Richardson for taking the time to do this study. I would like to know where you meet, what congregation you attend, and can I get in contact with you? Please let me know. I am anxious to hear from you.

[wherethebiblespeaks]

@savinggrace4u2

This is Mark, right?

[sugkrino]

The only reason I would say these secondary issues are important is because if there is a possible way that a command could not be fulfilled then our understanding of the command may be flawed.

[wherethebiblespeaks]

@sugkrino

Until you have scripture showing approved examples of congregations that large, then you can't say that such is the case with this discussion. You have neither book, chapter, or verse. The Baptist will say the same thing about baptism. "What if there's no water around when someone wants to be baptized, and then they die before they get to it?"

[sugkrino]

Would you say that so long as there is one cup then it doesn't matter how many times you have to fill it during one assembly? Also, do you see this as a salvation issue? Thanks.

[wherethebiblespeaks]

@sugkrino

1. No, I wouldn't say that. 2. Paul told the Corinthians that whoever is to "eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord." (1 Cor 11: 27) If you study the word "unworthily" you'll find it means "in an unworthy manner." This the Corinthians were doing by not keeping the ordinance Paul had given them. Also, I find, usually, when congregations cross the line to use individual cups, they cross the line in many aspects.

[wherethebiblespeaks]

@sugkrino

I want to say again that we are speaking of secondary issues. To determine the truth of the Communion, we must go to the source of the subject -- the communion itself. Once we have determined whether we must use one cup of not from those passages, we will NO LONGER need to discuss congregation, because we will already know what the Lord's will is pertaining the the communion.

[wherethebiblespeaks]

@sugkrino

continued... we are not talking about whether these souls were added to one place or not. We're talking about whether to met together in that large of a capacity to break bread. You MUST, I say you MUST show where they did. You have not. I also ask again, where is your authority for multiple cups?

[wherethebiblespeaks]

@sugkrino

I'm not assuming anything. I know what the Lord commanded concerning the communion. It is you assuming that there was a congregations that large. It does not say it. Does it? If so, where? Its not up to me to disprove it, its not my problem. Why isn't it my problem? Because I cannot read anywhere, in any verse, where a congregation that size met to break bread. Why must I disprove a negative? Again, we MUST determine what the Lord commanded in the communion FIRST.

[wherethebiblespeaks]

@sugkrino

I take it your referring to figures of speech again, right? Matthew tells us he "took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;" (26:27) There is no figure of speech being used in that verse. Please watch my entire speech, for this was the main thrust of it. I ask you, how many cups containing f.o.v. did he take? Did he give to the apostles that which he took with his hands?