Victor Stenger Skepticon 3 The Abuse of Physics by Theist and Spiritualists

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[hedgehog1965uk]

I can't believe that the young woman introducing Prof Stenger described him as "super awesome". What is she...12? :)

[HamboneProductions]

@hedgehog1965uk  We are Skepticon, and we don't do things the way everyone else does.

[hedgehog1965uk]

@HamboneProductions Good answer. BTW, I think that Scepticon is great, so I meant no offence. Thanks for uploading all these great talks for all of us to watch for free. They make much better viewing than most of the rubbish on TV these days.

[PlateMailArmored]

@godnothing666 Yes, but this is under our current paradigm sustained by our current body of knowledge. We have to exercise the possibility of we being wrong. What if there is something elementary to space travel that is so simple but we haven't discovered yet? Everyday discoveries are made, and I follow it via RSS in multiple journals. I still have hope we'll discover something that will change our paradigm.

ps: I'm not one of those esoteric people. I mean science when I talk.

[godnothing666]

@PlateMailArmored well if in the next few thousand years we evolve past our current physiology but then we may not be considered human anymore. LOL it would just be speculation, but I think we will eventually become something like the transformers. I think we are evolving into sentient machines.

[PlateMailArmored]

I stopped watching at 21 minutes when he said for us to "forget about" humans ever going to cruise around the universe. This is a irresponsible statement to say, like those who said in 19 century "everything possible to be invented is already invented" Then came the Industrial revolution...

[Bremerxxxx]

This guy is great.

I suggest to the people watching this lecture to read his article:

"The Scientific Case Against a God Who Created the Universe"

It's on his website.

[andyg2550]

Thanks for the reply.  I'v now delved a little deeper and it appears that Schrodinger was trying to reduce to absurdity the the Cobenhagen Interpretation and that the obserever can be a anything and that the observer also needs to be observe ad infinitum. Anyway I Think that I am now in possession of enough information to manifest a beer from my new age friend. Cheers.

[Garf640]

@andyg2550 My understanding is that the cat experiment is a thought experiment to illustrate probability waveforms, i.e. the probability of the cat being dead or alive, you don't know its actual state till you open the box so until you collapse the waveform (open the box) it can be said that it is both dead and alive at the same time. But it is not influencing the outcome in any way.

[andyg2550]

In a recent conversation with a woo-woo believer, Schrodinger's cat was used as an example of the observer influencing the state of a system. I'm not too hot on physics but this just doesn't seem right. I wondered one of the readers here could help me articulate an educated response? it would be so much quicker than enrolling on a course for 3 years.

[PlanetBongoSan]

@ninjatoothpaste to be fair, he did warn the audience :)

[ninjatoothpaste]

I have to say, this guy bores the crap out of me. The stuff he's saying is interesting but it's presented in such a boring way that it's sending me to sleep!