Platonic Idealism must die!

Entry into the Pwnage Olympics - Event #3:

The video I am pwning is, "Alvin Plantinga and the Modal Argument":
http://youtu.be/WOTn_wRwDE0

A video on Platonic idealism:
http://youtu.be/6wt_iIBJRRY

Another video featuring Plantinga that I may, if people are interested, pwn later, "Evolutionary Argument Against Naturalism (1 of 6): by Alvin Plantinga":
http://youtu.be/79SPvsZp1tY

That video is now here:
The Inner Limits - Part 1
http://youtu.be/eU-wpNOyuas

I will be adding more to this information bar later.

New: Can you spot the "Masked Man Fallacy" in Plantinga's argument:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masked_m...

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[ex0gen]

I agree with some of the criticism of the logic Plantinga's arguments uses, (although you actually mis-categorize his argument as necessarily being one for substance dualism) but you misrepresent and misunderstand Plato in many ways both philosophically and historically. There is nothing "Christian" about Plato's idealism because Christianity came AFTER Plato. Plato was in 427 BCE. Also this tactit assumption on a pure empiricist epistemology is unwarranted.

[zarkoff45]

"There is nothing "Christian" about Plato's idealism because Christianity came AFTER Plato."

You do not understand the video. Christianity emerged in a Platonist society, therefore it inherited certain Platonist ideas by default. A form of Idealism that Plato endorsed was part of the Christian inheritance.

[Adam Ford]

Great video :) It is very difficult to pin down a definition of what is "Me", though once we have the technology to understand all the mechanics I suggest we will know a lot more about identity then. What is true about ourselves may only be true about parts of the body and environment.

[zarkoff45]

No. The video is about Alvin Plantinga, not Christianity.

You are serious lacking in in the comprehension necessary to even understand the video.

[zarkoff45]

No.

[zarkoff45]

Are you also going to face-palm Wikipedia? Here's a quote from them: "Platonism had a profound effect on Western thought, and many Platonic notions were adopted by the Christian church which understood Platonic forms as God's thoughts, whilst Neoplatonism became a major influence on Christian mysticism, in the West through St Augustine..."

[zarkoff45]

You're still the one that is not getting it. Saying that you inherit certain Platonistic ideas does not mean you are based on it. Christianity and Platonism share a certain conception of how reality works - with hidden dimensions. For Christians, spiritual, for Platonists, idealistic realms.