Black Speech of Mordor
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@Adawg4008 lol.. yes it is. But can't that same question be posed for every language, seeing as "NERDS" exist in all cultures?
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I'm A PROUD NERD!!!
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@SubjectAlpha100 You have to create the *whole* thing - the entire scope of the language throughout it's history. This is why the stories and the languages are so intimately connected - for Tolkien, the one requires and involves the other, and so creating the one (language) therefore requires also creating the other (story).
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@SubjectAlpha100 which is what most writers do. Rather he thought up the *language* first, and then said, "what kind of culture, history, geography, weather, cosmology, would produce a language like this? And, of course, because he knew intimately the history of words and how they develop and change over time within cultures, he also knew enough to know that you can't just create a "static" language as if it never changes.
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@SubjectAlpha100 even things like weather. This, in fact, was what drove him to create the stories in the first place - because he knew that to have the depth of "reality" which he was after, his languages needed a "real" culture, and that real culture needed history, geography, weather, and all the rest - ultimately, an entire cosmology. That is the reason his languages seem so perfectly "real". He didn't think up the *story* first, and then try to invent a language for *it* -
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@SubjectAlpha100 yes, Tolkien was a philologist, and he had a keen love for languages all his life, and he did use certain sounds from languages he liked when creating vocabularies. However, he was enough of a historian and even anthropologist of words as well to know that words and vocabularies do not exist in a vacuum - they exist within cultures, and those cultures do not spring to life instantaneously, but rather develop over time in response to the historical events, geography,
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this isnt black speech apart from the four lines spoken in the movies.. i understand people recreating elvish because it is almost complete... but its stupid trying to do black speech there is basically no material to support it and wont be anything like tolkiens intentions
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@CreepingBoNE Black Speech was not one of Tolkien's well developed languages. All he made in Black Speech was the Ring Verse and an Orcish curse in The Two Towers. But there have been many people who have developed their own forms of Black Speech on the internet.
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We ALL speak our own language. Tolkien certainly did with The Lord of the Rings. :)
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@mrhandofbod If im not mistaken, Khuzdul (dwarfish) is based on hebrew...
Can anyone tell me how Tolkien developed the vocabularies for his languages? I'm trying to create a few of my own, but they either sound too much like the languages they are based on or sound like jibberish ('cause I would just utter a sound and give it meaning).
SubjectAlpha100 1 month ago 2
@SubjectAlpha100 Tolkien was a philologist by profession. He studied languages for most of his life and had been inventing them for decades. I usually find, when trying to invent mock language(s), that it pays to establish a root word first and then work on suffixes.
MrFunkyBoogaloo 1 month ago 3