The Greatest Argument For God in the World...... Ever!!!

Not very often I present an argument FOR a deity but, in the interests of providing my subs with interesting ideas for debate and consideration, that is what I am doing here.

I hope that this video makes you consider the whole notion of what a deity would have to entail.

Please comment, especially if you have any issues that need clearing up on the argument, there are many areas I was unable to go through due to pressures of time :)

For further reading visit Nick Bostroms's site:
http://www.nickbostrom.com/
His wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Bostrom
His own site on this simulation argument of his (to hear it given much better justice than I have:
http://www.simulation-argument.com/
The wikipedia page on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality

Also, I recommend Paul Davis's 'The Goldilocks Enigma' (p203-214) for a very concise run through of this idea.

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[MDEMONIC689]

That would just be an argument for a creator of this universe, but who created them?, it seems to fall apart when you question who created the people/beings who are not simulated.

I would say a many-worlds argument upon which all possible states of matter exist without a creator is a cleaner argument, if we first just accept matter exists, and then assume infinite states of matter then it isn't a surprise that you exist, the odds are 1 in 1.

[noelplum99]

@MDEMONIC689

"That would just be an argument for a creator of this universe, but who created them?, it seems to fall apart when you question who created the people/beings who are not simulated."

The origins of the creators is left up in the air, it would would be impossible to ascertain (as we know nothing about their universe). I accept that this means this is not an 'ultimate answer' but it is not meant to be; it doesn't have to be.

[Manguneshane]

The creator of the creator of the creators. Inception.

[philosophergenius]

possible but not probable. I'm sticking with probable. Because there are so many more reasons as to why there is no creater, very few for it. And the ones for a god, are stretching the imagination, while the ones against a god are tied to simple logic. I'm going with simple logic here--you can have your gods, i have better things to do.

[PrettiestDogEver]

@wussbaref00t Roman persecution of Christians is a well-documented fact, which negates your argument that the Romans invented Jesus. Pauline Christianity is, however, a mish-mash involving elements of Mitrhraism and other popular religions created at the behest of Constantine.

[wussbaref00t]

this argument doesn't posit God, only what could be called 'a god'. you are right to assert that the problem here is what constitutes a deity. from what i can see here, this argument begs the question of 'where does the original simulation come from?' i am an atheist and i think that any theist would be unwilling to accept a god that isn't THE GOD in all possible universes. what god is to most people-i think-is the power behind all universes.

[wussbaref00t]

@Maxid1 what if YOU are wrong? if i built a time machine and took you to the supposed time of Jesus and we couldn't find him what then? what would you make of your life if you found out that jesus was a character created by romans for the purpose of consolidating power in the empire through a religion that demands belief? do you have the ability to question the god you were taught to believe in? what will it take to get you to admit that jesus might be just another mythical character?

[Zoulz666]

Certainly an interesting theory. :)

[dragonking700]

Very interesting :D

Of course, now that brings up the same old question: Why would this creator make such an imperfect world, and doesn't it make him evil since he lets us suffer in it just for amusement? Just a thought. Btw, I am a theist, just pointing that out.