Why would losing her Virginity AFTER Jesus' birth be a mortal sin? She had a husband. So if it was within the context of marriage then she wouldn't have sinned.
She has said it since 1965, and if I recall correctly. And post-1965 is also part of the Roman Catholic Church. And it allows Orthodox to take Catholic communion if they are in need, because it considers Orthodox holy orders as valid. Does it not?
I understand that. You can't compromise the faith on essential grounds. But wouldn't you agree that dissent on the Immaculate Conception or the Assumption is quite small compared to, say, adhering to Nestorianism or predestination?
Yes but the Catholic Church also considers Orthodoxy as the "second lung" of the Christian Church and even allows them to partake in Catholic Communion, despite the rejection of the specific issues I raised. What is your opinion on that?
But should it be dogmatized? Should it matter if a Catholic believes in the Immaculate Conception or the Perpetual Virginity so long as he believes that she was blessed and virgin with Jesus' conception? Does it matter if a Catholic does not believe that purgatory is inherently painful if he believes that there is a 'temporary state' before heaven where some purification exists and where prayers can assist? Or not believe in purgatory at all?
This makes sense, but how do you differentiate between what is proper Tradition and what is a personal opinion with which the Church does not agree? Didn't Augustine, for instance, essentially preach predestination (which I reject)? Why is that not a Tradition of the Church? Isn't he a Doctor of the Church?
@Reazzurro90 We are, how else could we make the infallible bible, and cut out the fallible books some wanted to include?
kevinjjfr 2 months ago
@spitzer72
But isn't the Church supposed to be infallible?
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@spitzer72
Having sex within the context of marriage is still sinful?
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@spitzer72
Ah I see. You're a sedevancantist. That's fair.
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@spitzer72
Why would losing her Virginity AFTER Jesus' birth be a mortal sin? She had a husband. So if it was within the context of marriage then she wouldn't have sinned.
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@spitzer72
She has said it since 1965, and if I recall correctly. And post-1965 is also part of the Roman Catholic Church. And it allows Orthodox to take Catholic communion if they are in need, because it considers Orthodox holy orders as valid. Does it not?
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@spitzer72
I understand that. You can't compromise the faith on essential grounds. But wouldn't you agree that dissent on the Immaculate Conception or the Assumption is quite small compared to, say, adhering to Nestorianism or predestination?
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@spitzer72
Yes but the Catholic Church also considers Orthodoxy as the "second lung" of the Christian Church and even allows them to partake in Catholic Communion, despite the rejection of the specific issues I raised. What is your opinion on that?
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@spitzer72
But should it be dogmatized? Should it matter if a Catholic believes in the Immaculate Conception or the Perpetual Virginity so long as he believes that she was blessed and virgin with Jesus' conception? Does it matter if a Catholic does not believe that purgatory is inherently painful if he believes that there is a 'temporary state' before heaven where some purification exists and where prayers can assist? Or not believe in purgatory at all?
Reazzurro90 8 months ago
@spitzer72
This makes sense, but how do you differentiate between what is proper Tradition and what is a personal opinion with which the Church does not agree? Didn't Augustine, for instance, essentially preach predestination (which I reject)? Why is that not a Tradition of the Church? Isn't he a Doctor of the Church?
Reazzurro90 8 months ago