Anti Vaccination on Penn and Teller: BULLSHIT! - Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy are Assholes

Penn gives us a preview of an episode of Penn & Teller: Bullshit that covers Andrew Wakefield and the antivaxxer controversy.

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[tasteslikeginger]

I don't agree with OVER medication, but vaccinations do help people. Anyone remember learning about Polio?

[MegaPaddy86]

@spitroastlover That's an awful lot of rude for somebody who is saying absolutely nothing.

[raizumichin]

@Manuhashidate Well, I said that in a comment directed at you, so I assumed you had read it. But yes, we can totally agree on that nutrition and hygiene boosts immunity. It also decreases the survivability of the virus outside the human body. But you can contract the virus even with a fully working immune system. Vaccines is the final line of defense. With that, the virus will eventually die out completely. After that, the vaccine will become unnecessary.

[Manuhashidate]

@raizumichin ... I haven't read the 30 gazillion pages of this thread so, have missed you saying "...the combination of hygiene, nutrition and vaccinations is what eradicated polio."

My second paragraph is an attempt to find ground on which we agree e.g. that increased nutrition and hygiene boosts immunity - which is absolutely and exactly what inoculation with vaccines attempts to achieve - increased immunity!

Do we agree there?

[raizumichin]

@Manuhashidate It's obvious places to start. There's been many studies since, but that initial development gives a good image of the correlation between strengthening antibodies and diminishing the disease.

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say with your second paragraph. I've already said that the combination of hygiene, nutrition and vaccinations is what eradicated polio. I'll freely admit vaccination alone isn't quite enough, even if it's a big help.

[TheMrSolidS]

hi

[Manuhashidate]

@raizumichin ...your two sources, whom I'd not heard of before, appear to have had major parts in developing polio vaccines. What of their research were you referring to as so 'obvious'? is there anything in their altruistic endeavours about MMR?

After all, isn't there much in common between 'boosted immunity by way of nutrition & hygiene' and 'boosted immunity by inoculating with antibodies?

[raizumichin]

@Manuhashidate The most obvious is of course people like Willam Hammon or Weller & Robbins. But really though, in this situation the burden of proof is on you, not me. And if you really do know your science, you should know that a single case, like your friends kid, doesn't prove anything. But you probably don't know your science, since you keep quoting tendencies as absolutes.

[AstralBanana]

@Manuhashidate Very interesting, but read this please: w w w . unicef . org/pon96/hevaccin dot htm

It says very interesting facts about how many million lives vaccines have saved.

"Vaccines currently in use are saving the lives of three million children a year."

Source: Unicef.

[Manuhashidate]

@AstralBanana .... Where exactly? - check the VAERS database where you can set sort criteria and see that, for example, 43 people are listed as having DIED directly from adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine and 6 more when chicken-pox was included in the jab, and that 21 have dies directly from the common DTaP jab... that's who's dying form this Frankenstein nonsense! Check the databse for yourself! w w w . wonder. cdc. gov/vaers . html (close the gaps to enable web-link)

[Manuhashidate]

@raizumichin ....kindly quote some of this research you've done - as I have! Any reference at all would do!

No, my statement that the disappearance of serious disease was due to modern hygiene and nutrition is not an assumption, nor a projection - it's me referring to the work of Viera Scheibner - heard of her? And Greg Beattie - know anything about him?

As I mentioned below, my good friend's fully-vaccinated child developed meningitis, and it was missed by the doctors, too!