American Doberman Vs Yugoslavian Doberman
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Well....im not American
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@Serpentarius666 It does it you're American. Half of them don't have a passport. Half of them couldn't tell the difference between Iran and Iraq. Half of them vote Republican!
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Oh my amrican Doberman Male Thor was easily that size at 4 months, he is a big boy !
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I have a 3 year old male "American" Doberman and he is gorgeous and perfect in size and strangth, I have friends who have "Europian" Dobes and they are about 30-40lbs bigger but they dont look right and the AKC doesnt recognize them, Dobermans originated in Germany and are a Medium Sized Breed, not meant to be a Large breed. Love Dobermans, smart as hell and very loyal.
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@DakotaTheDoberman There can be a 30lb difference in two dobes that are still considered "standard". Euro will almost always be larger. My point has alway been euros are larger. Can you comprehend a simple statement? I've been trying to explain to you how this have happened. Try posting something that wont be spam or deleted.
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@Barbellthane We're not talking about natural selection, we're talking about planned breedings lol. Yes, there are variations, but variation is allowed, again, within the standard. Good breeders don't breed out of convenience, and almost never own both dogs. They test, research, and go to great lengths to choose a suitable mate. The FACT remains, the standards are the same, and an oversized dog is bad breeding. There's no way around that. They are a medium sized dog, not a large dog.
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@DakotaTheDoberman Variation in gene frequency, it is basic biology and basic genetics. Please read the bottle neck effect, this may help you understand variation in the gene frequency and how natural selection plays a major role in the genes you carry and show. The variation between two "standard" dobes is outrageous. Just look up the human genome project and look at all the different genes just homo sapiens have. canis lupus is no different.
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@Barbellthane Good breeders breed to the standard, end of story. The standards are the same. Yes, there are breeders that breed OUT OF STANDARD dogs, that's not the debate. The fact remains, the standards are the same. Papers are no indication of quality, all that means is that the parents are purebred.
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@DakotaTheDoberman It's call gene frequency, I'm sure a middle school bio student could tell you all about it. I really don't understand how mutation in gene frequency is a myth, but what would a college biology professor know? Just look at how the dobermann has changed throughout its lifetime. The breeder was a pastor...not looking to make money. The dogs were cheap, parents were show dogs with papers. By significat size difference, I mean you can tell by looking at them.
Yugoslavia doesnt exist anymore lol
Serpentarius666 2 weeks ago 6
Don't mean to bust your balls, but Germany is in Europe as well, and Yugoslavia doesn't exist from 1991 :)
mrgizaratino 3 weeks ago 4