Religion has been holding morality back for thousands of years. Finally secular humanist values like human rights are winning.
And then hearing a toad like you belonging to a religion with a long tradition of slavery, genocide, and witch-burning. A religion which have inspired hatred against women, black people and gays. The religion which drove the wheels of Hitlers war machine.
Please tell me again how I need your religion for moral guidance.
The fact that you cannot see the IMMORALITY of the religion you propose, let alone the sheer ridiculousness of accepting ANYTHING on "faith" alone, shows you to be an ignoramus of the highest order. Being able to speak clearly does not correct this flaw in your character; lots of snake oil salesmen can.
Okay. So you say "A self-caused universe does not communicate morality". Firstly, morality does not require a "cause" to the universe. Moral decisions are those that involve a social dynamic. Due to this, what is moral changes based upon the social system it is in. It is not "fixed" as you put it but changeable.
With a naturalistic world-veiw I can still concieve of a sense of obligation and a demand for it. I dont want people to kill me or steal my shit so I dont do it to other people. Simple.
This is why we have dictionaries, so every individual doesn't invent their own personal definitions of words. According to the dictionaries, they would be considered Christian.
Have you attended any bible study classes? Things are not as simple as "this is what it says. The end." There are tons of factors that have to be taken into account when interpreting the bible.
Christian morality... The ultimate oxymoron.
Religion has been holding morality back for thousands of years. Finally secular humanist values like human rights are winning.
And then hearing a toad like you belonging to a religion with a long tradition of slavery, genocide, and witch-burning. A religion which have inspired hatred against women, black people and gays. The religion which drove the wheels of Hitlers war machine.
Please tell me again how I need your religion for moral guidance.
itsjustameme 2 months ago
That's nice. But it doesn't prove you're right about religion.
jquiets 5 months ago
Aaaaaaaaannd.. NephilimFree had a son.
Ital21 7 months ago
The fact that you cannot see the IMMORALITY of the religion you propose, let alone the sheer ridiculousness of accepting ANYTHING on "faith" alone, shows you to be an ignoramus of the highest order. Being able to speak clearly does not correct this flaw in your character; lots of snake oil salesmen can.
TKStoddart 9 months ago
Okay. So you say "A self-caused universe does not communicate morality". Firstly, morality does not require a "cause" to the universe. Moral decisions are those that involve a social dynamic. Due to this, what is moral changes based upon the social system it is in. It is not "fixed" as you put it but changeable.
With a naturalistic world-veiw I can still concieve of a sense of obligation and a demand for it. I dont want people to kill me or steal my shit so I dont do it to other people. Simple.
covac45 10 months ago
So many factories, so many bells...
dabigq 1 year ago
"Oughtness"? Really?
This guy is a legend in his own mind.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
@1776iscoming
This is why we have dictionaries, so every individual doesn't invent their own personal definitions of words. According to the dictionaries, they would be considered Christian.
xxxFaustusxxx 1 year ago
@xxxFaustusxxx
At least half, if not more are not even biblically Christian. The rest of them don't disagree on the fundamentals.
1776iscoming 1 year ago
@1776iscoming
Have you attended any bible study classes? Things are not as simple as "this is what it says. The end." There are tons of factors that have to be taken into account when interpreting the bible.
xxxFaustusxxx 1 year ago