Women's Ordination? Part 1

One of the bigger points over which Catholics might argue is that of women's ordination. I address it in a way that most people probably have never heard before.

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[Lazerlike42]

Plato wrote about masculinity and femininity as being symbols of the universal realities of emminance and immanance.

There is much Biblical and historical evidence, some of which is put forth in Dr. Kreeft's article on the subject, in which is presents the whole thing much better than I do: Google "Sexual Symbolism by Peter Kreeft".

Peace, and God bless :)

[dprattli]

He fails to define masculinity and femininity. It makes no sense.

[Lazerlike42]

I didn't provide a definition due to the reason you commented on in part 3: there is no one universal nature of men or women and so any I presened would be stereotypes. Thus, I simply let them mean what each individual viewer already thinks they do.

My very point is that these definitions are flawed because they are based on men and women, rather than the cosmic realities of emminance and imminance which they have been viewed as for centuries. See my next post for evidence...

[MissKarema]

It is not true when you say that life comes without, apart from a woman. It is a basic biological fact that life is created when a woman's egg and a man's sperm meet. Both are required and one is useless without the other. Therefore the way you talk about men entering women to 'plant their seed' risks reducing women to mere apparatus who are defined by the man 'entering her' to create life.

[Lazerlike42]

I apologize for any misunderstanding. The point is not that the male provides life and the woman merely receives it.

In human reproduction, sperm is introduced from without to the egg. Through this, new life is created. That which was within combines with that which was without to bring life.

In creation itself, God introduces the Holy Spirit into matter from without, and the life comes to be. That which was within combines with that which was without to bring life.

[nijjhar1]

Women can Preach Gospel but they cannot teach Scriptures.

[MrSmithtj]

The main reason to support the Church’s teaching on male-only-ordination is that this is what God commanded the Church through the apostolic tradition. All the other theological arguments only speak in terms of what might be called the “fittingness” of reserving ordination to men. Such arguments are ultimately unconvincing because they rely on fractured and limited understandings of both the reality of the Divine reality and the creative potential of men and women.

[MrSmithtj]

I believe the guy’s argument has anthropomorphized God based on a misguided understanding of the creativity of men and women. Again, analogies may be made, but God transcends all our understanding, so one can’t peg one’s position on the arguments in these videos.

[MrSmithtj]

This guy’s argument posits different roles for men and women in the Church based on rather arbitrary divisions of who can or cannot "go beyond" and who can and cannot "nurture." Men and women both have the capacity of “going beyond” and “nurturing,” and both are fully capable of “going beyond” themselves to offer sacrifice to God, which is the very reason the Church speaks of the priesthood of all the baptized.

[MrSmithtj]

Merely because the man penetrates the woman does not mean that the woman has no need to “go beyond” herself. And merely because the woman carries the child doesn’t mean that the man has no need or capacity to nurture the child. One shouldn’t oversimplify the reality so that it fits a particular theology. Again, this is where this guy’s patriarchal understanding comes in.

[MrSmithtj]

Further, while men and women may display difference in terms of biology, psychology, spirituality, and so on, masculine and feminine traits can be creatively exercised by all human persons. In the conjugal act, both men and women must “go beyond” themselves to exercise their creative capacity. In the rearing of children both may be involved in nurturing. It will be in different ways, but both aspects are present in both.

[MrSmithtj]

The truth is that the Ultimate Reality is undivided, and beyond all conceptualizations in terms of masculinity and femininity. Analogies can be made, but always fall short of the reality. Only in Christ the God-man can we say that God was made man. But even Christ—in his humanity—displayed nurturing qualities.

[MrSmithtj]

This argument in favor of reserving priestly ordination to men is based on a patriarchal conception of God, as well as a limited understanding of the creative potential of men and women.

There are both masculine and feminine aspects in each person, God included. But ultimately God transcends all human typologies. This dude’s argument assigns different sex types to the persons of the Trinity because of arbitrary divisions about the specific role of each divine person of the Trinity.

[Whipplets]

@CreedChrist Perhaps if you had descernment you would trully understand this verse