Rand Paul on Ayn Rand and his name

Rand sets the record straight on his name.

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[louiethegreater]

They cannot be voted out of power, because both parties are owned by the same entity. Corporate America throws the resources behind the two dominant parties. An occasional opportunity has appeared occasionally, Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan were lost opportunities.

American products are not readily available. You must not be an American, or you would know that.

The information I gave you is not conspiracy theories, it is fact. All one needs to do is look at history since the 60s.

[RosarioXPS]

So despite the fact that American substitutes are quite readily available, the Chinese producers are "forcing" you to buy their goods. Don't think that's the definition of force.

I'm happy to debate economics, but i will not participate in a discussion about conspiracy garbage, if you dislike your government's actions then vote them out of power.

[louiethegreater]

You seem not to be against force, matter of fact your economic theory could not exist without it. Globalization is forced on nation states. The US leads the way, and is not bashful about using our military to take down those who stand in the way. That does not include the working of our CIA behind the scenes to encourage the overthrow of governments who does not choose to be part of the global plantation. Ruled by the global plutocracy, and by the way you are not being considered as a master.

[louiethegreater]

Chinese products are not more highly demanded they are forced on the US consumer. Domestic manufacturing has long since been destroyed in the US. Apple earns huge profits, by using those young Chinese girls who are killing themselves in protest of working conditions. ( HOW BAD WOULD THAT HAVE TO BE.) In addition they hold the leverage to lower prices and still make a profit in case domestic investment would present themselves. So China is a win, win for them, That is why tariffs are needed.

[RosarioXPS]

You seem to be vividly against the use of "force", and yet you advocate tariffs. Governmental policies, unlike the free market, DO use force. The government FORCES you to pay taxes, either directly or through secondary methods such as inflation, and of course tariffs. That is an instance in which you are FORCED into doing something, because whether or not the tariff benefits you, you must take on the effects, positive or negative.

[RosarioXPS]

Is Apple physically threatening you to buy their products? It might be far easier to obtain a Chinese product in comparison to a wholly American made substitute, but that is because Chinese products are more highly demanded, and therefore are more readily supplied. People have chosen to purchase an Apple device because they provide a better product at the price level. If they were to rapidly increase the price, very few would buy Apple products, thus there is no cohersion.

[louiethegreater]

OH, that would be the same economic theory that deindustrialized the US. The same as promised all those high paying service sector jobs, that never happened. The same theory that has produced 30 million unemployed,and added another 10% to the below poverty roles.

Consumers have not chosen, they have been forced to buy Chinese made products. Apple didn't move their operation to China, with the intention of providing cheap products to US consumers, they did it to produce greater profits.

[RosarioXPS]

"The price would not change", completely untrue, all economic theory and empirical evidence goes against this.

There's a very large difference between what people say they want, and what they actually want. If there was such a strong demand for US made ipods, consumers could quite easily make that happen by not purchasing apple products so long as they are made in china, a boycott essentially. It is clear that consumers have CHOSEN to continue purchasing Chinese made apple products.

[louiethegreater]

Producing Apple products is Chinese seat shops is certainly not allowing the people who consume the product to decide. If you took a pole of american consumers and ask them If they preferred iPods make in China or Ipods made in the US, the answer would be US made. So you are not allowing the market to decide, the make is forcing consumers to buy Chinese made. The price would not change, Apples stock might take a dip, because labor actually got a share of the wealth they created.

[RosarioXPS]

It is true that Foxconn employees are not treated as well as an American worker, but the fact is that they provide jobs which are highly desired and benefit both parties, otherwise they could not possibly pay such a low wage, simply demand and supply. For every suicide, there are tens of thousands of employees who rely on this job to support their families. Its easy to say "pay them more, treat them better!", but at the end of the day the consumers make the decisions in a free market.