Correct, its is a matter of realities. Vedanta speaks of paramArthikam- existence, consciousness, limitlessness... this world of names and forms is a projection, but you as an individual exist as a projection in this projected world too, and thus share the same order of reality
Thank you for your faith, I am a drop of water reflecting the sunlight that is Swami Dayananda Saraswati of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam (you can find his videos on youtube :) )
The real world would still be objectifiable to someone else even if you don't experience it, that is why the world is "transactionally real". Sky is blue even if im blind.
Swami Dayananda ji of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam says "You see the world because it is, and a dream is because you see it. "
One cannot mix orders of realities. From Paramarthikam this universe is a projection, but while in this universe, you share the same reality as the objects
@paparikh, 2) Okay, I think I know what you mean, the term illusion is being used too loosely. Illusion in Vedanta is equivalent to ignorance of 'the real' which is beyond the sense perceived reality. The objective phenomenal world is real from the perspective of the individual who identifies themselves with the mind/body construct, not the self realised Jnani. You seem to know a fair bit, so I welcome any corrections.
@paparikh, 1) Time-space-matter are mental categories in so far as their reality depends upon your cognition of it, The real world you postulate is only as real as your experience of it. Am I wrong?
2) mAyA can't be an illusion. An illusion is only something which depends upon the objective reality for its substratum, and provides us a subjective reality.
The rope we mistake to be a snake in twilight, is an illusion. The reality of the illusory snake depends upon the objective rope.
The objective reality we see in the world is a projection of mAyA. It is not an illusion from the standpoint of our objective reality, but shares the same order.
@paparikh, He said time is a 'MENTAL' structure, He's right, Time is a mode of perception, past is in the memory, future is present + past. Maya IS illusion, Maya is the phenomenal world known through the senses that is taken to be dualistic.
I partly agree, though I do give him credit for trying to reconcile the two subjects, there were a few (very few ) mistakes he made in explaining vedAnta. I believe vedAnta should only be taught publicly when one gets it right :)
@superluminalthought
Correct, its is a matter of realities. Vedanta speaks of paramArthikam- existence, consciousness, limitlessness... this world of names and forms is a projection, but you as an individual exist as a projection in this projected world too, and thus share the same order of reality
Thank you for your faith, I am a drop of water reflecting the sunlight that is Swami Dayananda Saraswati of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam (you can find his videos on youtube :) )
paparikh 2 weeks ago
@superluminalthought
The real world would still be objectifiable to someone else even if you don't experience it, that is why the world is "transactionally real". Sky is blue even if im blind.
Swami Dayananda ji of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam says "You see the world because it is, and a dream is because you see it. "
One cannot mix orders of realities. From Paramarthikam this universe is a projection, but while in this universe, you share the same reality as the objects
paparikh 2 weeks ago
@paparikh, 2) Okay, I think I know what you mean, the term illusion is being used too loosely. Illusion in Vedanta is equivalent to ignorance of 'the real' which is beyond the sense perceived reality. The objective phenomenal world is real from the perspective of the individual who identifies themselves with the mind/body construct, not the self realised Jnani. You seem to know a fair bit, so I welcome any corrections.
superluminalthought 3 weeks ago
@paparikh, 1) Time-space-matter are mental categories in so far as their reality depends upon your cognition of it, The real world you postulate is only as real as your experience of it. Am I wrong?
superluminalthought 3 weeks ago
@superluminalthought
2) mAyA can't be an illusion. An illusion is only something which depends upon the objective reality for its substratum, and provides us a subjective reality.
The rope we mistake to be a snake in twilight, is an illusion. The reality of the illusory snake depends upon the objective rope.
The objective reality we see in the world is a projection of mAyA. It is not an illusion from the standpoint of our objective reality, but shares the same order.
paparikh 3 weeks ago
@superluminalthought
1) Time is called kAla, it is a very concrete entity even in our scriptures.
quote shankarA's dakshinAmurti stotram: mAyA kalpita desha kAla kalana vaichitra chitri krtam.
With the two lenses of space-time, the variegated universe (that we see today) is made possible. Time is as real as space, and not a mental construct.
paparikh 3 weeks ago
@paparikh, He said time is a 'MENTAL' structure, He's right, Time is a mode of perception, past is in the memory, future is present + past. Maya IS illusion, Maya is the phenomenal world known through the senses that is taken to be dualistic.
superluminalthought 1 month ago
What the world needs is more physics PhDs who have taken diksha mantras in a bona fide parampara :)
scottyea 2 months ago
@BlueZuluFoxtrot
Actually, the more I am seeing this video, the more things I find inconsistent in his explanation of vedAnta
Time is not a "made up" structure, nor is mAyA "an illusion"... this terminology is very misleading and would throw off many a vedAnta seekers
paparikh 9 months ago
@LooksAeterna
I partly agree, though I do give him credit for trying to reconcile the two subjects, there were a few (very few ) mistakes he made in explaining vedAnta. I believe vedAnta should only be taught publicly when one gets it right :)
paparikh 9 months ago