Past & Future Climate change pt 3 of 4

Part 3 - Scientist David Archibald continues giving the data that shows global climate is more influenced by factors other than CO2 including a correlation with sunspot cycle length.
The conclusions are a contradiction for Al Gore and Greens who believe Global Warming and climate change are an issue to worry about

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[Kellanon06]

this man isn't a scientist

[Bushvision]

Define a scientist & you might be surprised

[DoubleJMG]

The graphic on CO2 levels and plant growth should be a kick in the crotch to greens. Shouldn't they know that?

[shire2005]

The man is a geologist and very qualified for the topic.

Liberals who believe in the GW fraud are mystified by people with no scientific credentials like Al Gore or Barry Obama who don't even have undergraduate courework in the sciences beyond the freshman level.

[RationalRoundtable]

@Part 3

I tend to be quite skeptical of any and all 'science' videos that try to convince you of something especially if there is a political agenda behind it.

finaly, do not assume that I do not ever look at the 'boring reports' I have read several studies, in fact my sister works for the USGS in Alaska and we have had a few interesting conversations on things like permafrost melt and the ice caps.

[RationalRoundtable]

@part 2

This video we are commenting on is NOT propaganda because the video makers do not seem to have an apparent agenda, however the man speaking is a propagandist as he is not just sating facts, but attempting to spin in the opposite direction.

[RationalRoundtable]

@xPHOENIX269x

First, I am dyslexic so you could misspell every word and I likely will not notice :)

Second, The reason I use the term propaganda is because it accurately describes his videos, not because of the connotation. I tend to view all propaganda with a grain of salt because I know it is biased, unbiased documentary videos or films are very rare these days. Ray Comfort, Michael Moore, Al Gore and many others are skilled at producing propaganda.

Third

[xPHOENIX269x]

@RationalRoundtable You are trying to dicredit him by calling him just a cartoonist, saying he strawmans and just quote mines. He is more of an expert than you or I because he actually reads the boring reports. You and I draw our conclusions from what trickles down to us from the many spigots of information. And calling his vids just propoganda is an insult since that word's connotation is a negative one. And forgive any mispellings, not a strong point here.

[RationalRoundtable]

@Part 2

propaganda is simply opinionated media that tries to sway your opinion... I mean it in the technical sense, not as a insult.

also you do realise that even he in his videos says that you cannot gauge the global trend based on short term events, so by his own standard, your statement, "...this summer to be extremely warmer than norm..." is meaningless.

[RationalRoundtable]

@xPHOENIX269x

Well, the scare was real, even if the science was exaggerated. Also I would not say that I am trying to discredit him, rather point out that he is no more an 'expert' than you or I, he is as man with an agenda who created a YouTube channel, hardly unique. I am not saying he does not believe what he is saying... but while his videos are well produced, they are hardly proof of anything except that he knows how to created propaganda... again not an insult...

[xPHOENIX269x]

@RationalRoundtable Who cares what the media decides to, and it puts for global climate change science and reports. Climate scientist mostly agree that increased C02 will affect the earth, but as to how is the major debate. As for sunspots, I say that because many of the climate-deniers claim this to be a major factor. The Sun has been at it's lowest activity beyond it's 11 yr cycle but the average global temp has been on the rise, with this summer to be extremely warmer than norm.

[xPHOENIX269x]

@RationalRoundtable I thought the term was 'left-handed pat on the back'? Anyway, you further try and discredit him, not my friend, by merely calling him a cartoonist. His description states that is only part of it. As for his 70's vid, if he is 100% accurate then there was no gobal cooling proposed by the majority of the scientific body at that time.

[RationalRoundtable]

@Part 3

Even if as you suggest it was all just media hype, one could say the same thing today... sure you can cite papers that suggest warming, but the scientific community is hardly monolithic about this, and has a very poor track record when it comes to predicting things of this nature. Also I find the simple dismissal of Sunspots as a factor to be someone arrogant.

but as they say, only time will tell.

[RationalRoundtable]

@Part 2

According to the cartoonist, C02 is not the cause of Global warming, but it MIGHT amplify the natural effects, this is contrary to almost every other video about Global Warming out there including Al Gore and the cartoonist's other videos.

But all that is beside the point, in the 70's there was a big trend suggesting that cooling was about to thrust us into an ice age, the cartoonist simply dismisses the primary report as being vague... it was not.