Understanding the Mormon September 6 -- Paul Toscano Pt. 4

In September of 1993, 6 Mormon "intellectuals" were disciplined by the LDS church: 5 of them excommunicated, and 1 of them dis-fellowshipped.

Perhaps the most strident and controversial of the 6 was Paul Toscano.

This is his story.

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[vcomp1960]

Toscano sounds like a traditional christian?

[seomike07]

@VictorLepanto - What part of handle me, a spirit hath not flesh and bone as YOU SEE ME HAVE, is hard to understand? You receive a body in the resurrection, just like Christ's, immortal body. Paul says Death where is thy victory? He's saying, Christ just beat you Death. Your sting is gone the dead will live. Like I said you do not understand the atonement. Christ's purpose was to restore everything that was lost from the fall. Go down the list of what Adam and Eve lost and do some thinking...

[VictorLepanto]

@seomike07: We don't get a new body so much as a RE-NEWED body. We are transfigured, not reincarnated. I didn't think Mormons believed in immortal souls anyway. What is receiving this new body? Why are you talking to me like I am a Calvinist? I worship Jesus, not a French lawyer. "Stewardship" lost in the fall? Where are you getting this stuff?

[seomike07]

@VictorLepanto - Christ becomes our father because the body we'll receive from him will not fail the way Adam's did. Do you believe in a partial atonement? Well did not Christ come to expiate the fall or give man a chance to be redeemed from all that was lost? Immortality,  the command to procreate in that state, stewardship and innocence were all lost in the fall. The Christ we worship fixes all that was lost, your version of Christ does not and you accuse us of selective quoting, fail more...

[VictorLepanto]

@seomike07: We are one w/ Christ through adoption. Who adopts their natural born children? How were we strangers to God if, in fact, we were already His children. The Mormon habit of sellective quoting (only when it suits them) is quite annoyiing. You use sellect quotes, grossly out of context, if they serve your purposes & dismiss anything else that doesn't as corrupted by "translation" errors.

[seomike07]

@VictorLepanto - Everytime Christ is his ministry says "I am" light of the world, living bread etc he says "Ye are" right after. Paul says we're joint heirs Rom 2:16 with him. John's epistle says when he comes again, we'll be like him. The very root of his name Jehovah comes from the verb in hebrew havah which means to become. You literally translate his name as "I shall be" or "I will become" not "I am". He was like us, his message is you can be like me, and that is what he taught us to do.

[Doliath]

I really like Paul's take on a more Christ-centered symbolism for the Temple.

[VictorLepanto]

"As we are God once,

As God is we will become."

"That couplet that I always get wrong..."

He will make us like Him, but He was never like us. He has always been God, Goodhood is not a thing that can be obtained.

[aquabatsarec]

This person is giving too much credit to too much marginal information... The issue involved is really on the "fringe" of L.D.S. doctrine or beliefs... Anyone who honestly studies religion will disagree with the author of this video.