The Purifying Power of Gethsemane - Part 2

Elder Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles final testimony, delivered Saturday April 6, 1985. Elder McConkie passed away shortly after. This talk is copyrighted, I believe, by both the Church and the McConkie family. Scenes from the Lamb of God are shown and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sings "I Believe in Christ."

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[dash1730b]

"And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand of God"

—Joseph Smith

[ldsniowa]

Powerful!

[feckintoad]

nailing was not thru both hands and wrists..a waste of nails which would be valuable and not wasted..it could of been either because the body was supported by an animal horn or wooden stake inserted into the anus to prolong the time alive on display. some lasted a week. death would be from exhaustion, blood loss, sepsis,dehydration.

[ednoisin]

I hope you've realized by now that this european hippie-looking jesus is indeed the image of the beast; a westernized farce paving the way of the anti-Hebrew Messiah. Our savior is called Imanuel Ha Mashiach who will come again as YAHOSHUA for the salvation of the Lost Sheeps of Yisrael These are the lost sheeps stripped from their identity during the transatlantic slave trade according to Deut 28:33, 37,48-50, 68. Blessings, Peace & Shalom,

[batterdown]

@Enca73 Christ's sacrifice was much more than the Cross. Biblically, it started with the Garden of Eden; was illustrated within the law of Moses; proclaimed by the prophets; announced to Mary, the sheperds & apostles; & forged in his life. The avenue to oneness with God was paved in the Garden of Gethsemane. The Perfect, Fulfilling, Sacrificial Lamb hung & died upon the cross. He was revealed to the dead, and became the first fruits of the resurrection. He lives, and will return, King & Lord.

[Enca73]

@jrcross49

"And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground."

In a nutshell, this tells us that he was stressed to the max; his spiritual turmoil was manifested physically. This does not mean that he atoned for humanity through his anxiety. Have you ever been in anguish trying to make or face a terrifyingly difficult decision or circumstance? Jesus was human and he did just that. His sacrifice was on the cross.

[jrcross49]

@Enca73 If you have a King James version of the Bible. I'd like you to turn to Luke 22:44, from that scripture is where we have our belief that Christ not only suffered on the cross, but also in the Garden of Gethsemane.

[RealFlaw]

Very Powerful. I can't deny the power of God. He lives!!!

[kinkajuu1]

@Enca73 the process of him taking on the sins of the world is the atonement, not the sweating blood. The atonement was the reconciliation between god and man from the fall. and th NT is a record of jesus's life, and the ot uses symbolism to explain gods pain, "Pierced for our transgressions" but dont take my word for it find out more for yourself if you have questions about the things you said

[Enca73]

@kinkajuu1 If the garden is where Jesus atoned (even partially) for humanity's sins, then why does no one in the NT (Paul, Peter, John, etc.) refer to it, yet every time you turn around you see them praising his sacrifice on the cross? Why does the OT prophesy about him being "pierced for our transgressions" as on the cross yet remain silent about him sweating? I'm not saying Jesus didn't sweat... just that doing so was not an act of atonement but rather extreme trepidation and anxiety.

[kinkajuu1]

If you believe this mate then why did he sweat great drops of blood in the Garden? I believe that the suffering or atonement started in the garden. He prayed three times. He was tempted throughout his life and yet "heeded it not". Sweating drops of blood would kill people for even one and yet the Bible states that he swat many. For him to take upon himself the punishment of the repentant sinners, would require great suffering and pain. It was freely offered from the Garden to the Cross.