Barrasso-Mammogram Panel Would Have Killed My Wife

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[crtnyevans]

This is not even a panel of government officials, its a panel of people from the American Cancer Society

[junkforkaryn]

good God, we ask for a little competition in the free market, and that's your idea of "total enslavement"?? i'd say you were already on the short list to extinction mr. "NWO population control". (eyeroll)

[TheManSand322]

Americans are a bunch of retards...

[Visfen]

What possible externalities could you be talking about, insurance is stupid in its' very design. The idea to model a system around is with government mandates, involvement, laws, is ridiculous.

We could just as well force people to play the lottery.

Without the elementary understanding of economic theory, no economic understanding can be modeled that is cohesive, and that is the problem, those that model these system with managed capitalism, such as yourself, don't understand economic theory

[Visfen]

It has existed, and it worked the best. It existed in the US before, and at that time in history the development was that medicine was getting cheaper and basically everyone was covered.

Then the government got involved.

The same will be true with Switzerland.

The best system the government could model would be to stop innovation or to shift costs to other sectors of the economy.

The idea that the market is bad at managing needs is absurd, look around you you daft tool.

[greyflcn]

@Visfen

So you're instead advocating for your model that doesn't exist in any country? And has never existed in a macroeconomic market.

Me,

I'm not terribly fond of ideologically driven leaps of faith like that with a 6th of the US economy at stake.

That said, the Swiss model works because the market is very good at managing Wants. But it fails at managing Needs.

The Market also fails at avoiding creating externalities in liability management markets. (i.e. Insurance)

[Visfen]

You keep going on about Switzerland being the model, but that is not the plan, not at all.

And Switzerland is not the model, the model is what the US used to have, an entirely free market system. Switzerland is the stepping stone for European countries to get there, in the US it would only mean switching to a different poison.

We don't even need insurance. In fact, if there was an insurance company that got perfect information, we would all lose on buying that policy.

[Visfen]

What is it that people don't understand, without rationing trough prices you ration trough government.

I prefer the first because I understand the dynamics of an economy will resolve the problems that occur with those priced out of the market trough competition.

Those that prefer the later do so because they suggest the failures we have in health care today are because of the free market, which is blatantly untrue when we know them to come from mandates, government coverage and such.

[gamoonbat]

The current head of HHS stated that she regarded this panel as a vestige of the last administration. Tommy Thompson, the previous head of HHS, took a great interest in breast cancer and mammography after his wife developed the condition.

[SubmarinerAndroid]

Some medical panel makes a recommendation and it's a great communist conspiracy?

They changed the four food groups to a food pyramid some years ago, I suppose that's a sign of the New World Order?

[MooseOfReason]

gamoonbat, You didn't read the article.

"Medical experts become members of the task force by nominating themselves or, as usually happens, by being nominated by colleagues and professional organizations."

"They are vetted by Health and Human Services to be sure they have no conflicts of interest, their names are published in the Federal Register, and they are appointed by the head of the Agency for Health Care Quality and Research, which is part of Health and Human Services."

[gamoonbat]

Whatever they may think about it, they were appointed by President Bush as opposed to congress or President Obama.