The Music of Friedrich Nietzsche - Zigeunertanz

"I am no man, I am dynamite." - Friedrich Nietzsche

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[CandyCatastrophe]

he's my hero.

[mjohnsonbcp]

where did you find these songs... i need them...

[WateverBr]

download link ?

[mognite]

@pitcalco Those complexities aside, what I can say, is that normally I find reading philosophy to be an absolutely frustrating/enraging/annoying experience, because there are always so many things that I don't agree with/don't make sense/aren't reasonable/are stylistically poor, but when I read Nietzsche writings on the various topics, it was the first time when essentially everything I had read resonated within my own thoughts. It was an affirmation of all my values/thoughts.

[mognite]

@pitcalco Apologies, I didn't realize you had been responding, until I refreshed the page later. Regarding your initial statement, like you said, a certain amount of projection is expected and perhaps even necessary, whether or not said projection was excessive, and resulted in generalized philosophical positions, I think is very difficult to determine-at the very least, I think the terms/question would have to be qualified further, in order to yield a useful question/answer.

[pitcalco]

@hartforest Thanks for that very exhaustive reply. You clearly have given the matter much more thought that I have. I will certainly keep it in mind if and when I start reading him again, but in fairness and not to be patronising, I put his writing down 12 years ago and I am not sure I will read him again with the same attention that you have. I do feel I am better off for having read him, but at this point I am more interested in his musical endeavours than his philosophical writing

[hartforest]

@pitcalco Oh yes, and one more thing. In what is arguably the best reading of Nietzschean thought I've come across (Clement Rosset's _Joyful Cruelty_) a point was made that I've entertained in studying Nietzsche: that is, that his philosophy arose out of his music. If the title of N's first work is any hint ("The Birth of Tragedy from the Spirit of Music") one can see this from the outset. I would only add to Rosset's point, that philology is also there in the same "arising" of N's philosophy.

[hartforest]

@pitcalco ...while both the "herd" and "ego" both forget the *perspective* and creative fictionalization, regard it as "objective truth," finally becoming tradition. Nietzsche hints to this on numerous occasions, one example lies in the Preface to BGE. Not only this, I think he is playing with the "feminization" of "truth" (in German "die Wahrheit" the "die" being feminine) and traditional philosophy, where "sophia" became "female." Hope this contributes to your readings of Nietzsche. Cheers!

[hartforest]

@pitcalco ...This double movement: the inward excitement of the individual (the priestly) and the outward social veneration (of the priestly) plays, I think, heavily into Nietzsche's writing regarding metaphysical/philosophical "truth," the "ascetic ideal," Christian/Socratic morality, etc. That is, he sees traditional philosophical "truth" as a denial of the fact that one "ego" foist their inspiration (ex: metaphysical assertions) upon a "herd" which venerates that egoistic vision in turn,...

[hartforest]

@pitcalco Hello. I don't think Nietzsche was making "broad generalizations about women" at all. Remember he was a philologist, and as such, made use of etymologies in his writing. For instance, the German term for woman is "Weib" which, according to the etymology of his day (see Kluge) was related to an idea present in Sanskrit "vip" meaning "inwardly excited, inspired (as in a priest)." This carried over into the related Germanic peoples' veneration of women...

[mognite]

@pitcalco Whether or not this applies here is hard to say, but in any case, once anyone see how ugly things can get, there may be more agreeableness regarding his position. It is also worth considering that he is offering just one potential way to approach the issues. He never wanted his writings to be consumed by the population at large, indeed he only expected to be read/understood by individuals of a certain "disposition," so the extent to which he was generalizing may in fact be much less...

[pitcalco]

@mognite Yes, and I did keep that in mind when first reading him. Nietzsche is one of those personalities from history that most people only know second hand, or have only read or heard evaluations from others.