Alpha Rolls in Wolves

Debunk the myth of the alpha roll. Wolves don't really do that to one another. This is a series of photos shot in a quick action sequence.

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Pets & Animals

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• (Gray
• Canis
• Lupus
• Wolf)

[xWolfHauntx]

@amoom0 Now, being as I don't care for people who try to pull the words under words ploy, I'm done here, you're not going to admit you are wrong, and I am not going to agree with your theories, so let's just agree to disagree. I stop any arguments between clicker eating trainers before they get embedded too deep because I know from experience that it's hopeless. I made my mark on this video and I don't care to keep coming back to it.

[xWolfHauntx]

@amoom0 And I gave you other examples, better examples of alpha rolls, once again, you are going under my words to try and sound right. The GSD video was to show you that alpha rolls are a wide variety of "acts" between dogs and wolves, it not just a simple, dog pushes over dog until it falls over and rolls onto it's back, it's much more complicated than that, and like I said, unless you've been studying dog behavior(NOT dog training) and actually taught it, then you wouldn't know.

[xWolfHauntx]

@amoom0 I never said I MYSELF alpha roll dogs, that would be asking for trouble, so put your trainer card back in your pants, and no, trainers should not do that when training, but that still does not meet with my whole point, that just because a trainer can't alpha roll a dog, does not mean it does. not. exist.

[xWolfHauntx]

@amoom0 See, that's your problem right there, you thinks you are god's gift to the dog world since you are a professional trainer, and I am betting you are one of those clicker happy all positive ones too. And if you are going to keep going under my words just to try and make yourself sound right, then this argument is void. I have already said MULTIPLE times that dog owners should NOT go willy nilly alpha rolling dogs, BUT, that does not mean that it does. not. exist.

[amoom0]

@xWolfHauntx That does not change the validity of the facts even a tiny bit. I've had enough experience trying to educate the intentionally obtuse to know that it's almost always useless. So go ahead, and have the last word... Your kind is dying out, Eventually the truth is accepted, but don't despair. I believe that the Flat Earth Society is still an active group. One day the Canine Dominance & Alpha Roll Society will be comforting its members as well as the world moves on and people chuckle.

[amoom0]

@xWolfHauntx I am a professional dog trainer and I work too often with dogs that have been mistreated by "trainers" who try to impose "dominance" on dogs they believe ought to be "submissive." The alpha roll is one of the more popular tools in the arsenal of these fools. If you are one of them... so be it. There is a marked unwillingness among many "professionals" who have been "doing this for decades" to accept the findings of science when it contradicts their dearly held beliefs.

[amoom0]

@xWolfHauntx Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance. An alpha roll is the use of physical force to turn a canine onto its back. The video you provided did not show that. It showed one dog already on its back - and I'd bet anything that it got there on its own - trying to appease another poorly socialized dog.

[xWolfHauntx]

@amoom0 Here's more proof: watch?v=1q9vx-CBueU See? Those are also considered "alpha rolls." And those are even wolves doing it. Now I can't say what they are snarking over because I didn't see the body language before the fight, but still, that's an "alpha roll." And look, the black wolf is even being "submissive" like the Lab with the GSD, and the white wolf still kept going, like I said before, sometimes "alpha rolls" are not justified, and perhaps not common, but they DO exist.

[xWolfHauntx]

@amoom0 Now, that doesn't mean wolves cannot be the same way, sure, most of the time, yeah, wolves are more "survival smart" and will end it before it gets bad, but when two dominant minds meet and don't want to yield to each other, then a similar thing can happen. And I am not "educated" by tv personalities online, it's called studying dog and wolf behavior extensively for decades, when you can teach several dogs and wolfdogs dog/wolf behavior, then you can come back at me.

[xWolfHauntx]

@amoom0 Thank you for proving my point exactly. I never said the alpha roll was justified, now did I? The point was, THAT is considered an alpha roll, see? Bigger picture, and it's flying right over your head. Just like not everything a human does is justifiable, well it's the same for dogs. Now, I thought this would be obvious, but I guess you are stuck in your own cloud fallacy, if the GSD was raised properly would it even have been resource guarding the owner? No.