NH man pays tax in Fives - Keene, New Hampshire 2/2

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[ninjabunnyman]

Of course he is. That's what happens in all business. The costs of doing business get passed on to the consumer, including taxes. Where do you think it comes from, the magic money tree?

[HiFiSmith]

@billburns2: You seem to miss the point of renting vs owning. Ian was providing a service to a family. The state imposed a tax to build revenue for its welfarism without the voluntary agreement of Ian.

[ninjabunnyman]

Oh, and by the way, nice try intentionally conflating society with your government gang. The support of society is usually needed to protect rights. Your thieving gang is not, scumbag.

[ninjabunnyman]

Of course force is often needed to protect rights. That was never the question. I was asking very basic questions about YOUR moral beliefs, which you STILL cannot answer.

All I wanted you to say is this: "No, I would not murder jews, or help capture slaves, just because the government told me to, because I believe murder and slavery are wrong."

Instead, you've shown yourself to be a disgusting, spineless, sniveling government bootlicker, with no moral decency whatsoever. No surprise.

[ninjabunnyman]

On the raw milk, you're right, I was thinking of a case in Canada. Selling it, however, is certainly a victimless crime -- if both parties agree, that's their business. So is drug use. So is putting juice in a milk container, which is illegal in New Hampshire. So is opening a business without a license. So is building on your own property without permission from your gang. So is importing orchids without permission, which recently landed an elderly couple in jail for life.

[ninjabunnyman]

Taxation is, euphemism aside, the extortion of money from innocent people by threatening to take their home or put them in prison. If they don't willingly go to prison or leave their home, the guns come out. That is literally what taxation is. It would be theft if I, you, or any other group of people tried to do it, and it's theft when your precious gang does it too.

You just love your stolen loot too much to let yourself think honestly, or hold yourself to basic standards of decency.

[billburns2]

moral consensus is EXACTLY the issue - you just don't like it cos it knocks a hole in your little fantasy.

Without the protection of a society, you will be the victim. Your "rights" are just empty words without a state to enforce them on your behalf.

Imagine yourself transported back in time - try whining about your "rights" to the camp guard or the slave overseer.

My new year resolution is not to debate with fools anymore, so I'll be signing off.

Hopefully you've learned something.

[billburns2]

"stealing it at gunpoint from their neighbors"

taxation is not stealing. Nobody is taxed at gunpoint. Give up with the amateur dramatics.

"It's illegal to drink unpasteurized milk from your own cow" -er, no. It's illegal to distribute raw milk in certain States. Nobody has ever been imprisoned for that offence either.

Is that the best you can do?

Pick up the straw on your way out son,

[ninjabunnyman]

Oh, and you're the one who wanted me to get my nose out of a book and examine all the great "services" your gang supposedly provides. I'm just noting they're mainly piles of inefficient, incompetent, corrupt, immoral, wasteful crap.

[ninjabunnyman]

Yes, because all modern, civilized people like yourself, obtain funding by stealing it at gunpoint from their neighbors.

It's illegal to drink unpasteurized milk from your own cow. I'm dying to hear who's the victim of that.

Without the US military involvement in WW1 the Third Reich would never have happened, and without the military industrial complex, neither would have the cold war. Something closer to the constitutional approach, based on militias, would be far preferable.

[ninjabunnyman]

And yet again, I own my property, neither you, nor the government do. You have no right to force me to leave my land if I don't want your B.S. "services".

[ninjabunnyman]

Changing moral consensus over time is not the issue at all. My moral stance is that theft, murder, and slavery are wrong, by anyone. You apparently have no moral convictions whatsoever. Morality, to you, is apparently whatever the government tells you to do.

Suppose tomorrow you were transported to Nazi Germany, and were employed as a prison guard. Would you murder Jews, or refuse? Suppose tomorrow government re-instituted slavery - would you assist a modern day Hariett Tubman, or report her?