Satan: Bound, Yet Active - Examining Amillennialism

This audio clip comes from message 094 - Answering Hoekema pt.2
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[mrm675]

Jesus said he bound Satan in Matthew 12, yet 1Peter 5:8 says the devil wanders around devouring people. And the bible does not contradict itself. So why impose on the Scriptures the logic that "bound" MUST mean pinned to the ground and powerless? He is bound and yet he is also wandering about seeking whom he may devour!  Open your mind, Christians!

[diligentile]

@mrm675 Could you plunder a strong man's house if he were not actually bound? Why do you impose on the Scriptures the idea that Satan is not bound since it is quite clear that the Nations are still very much being deceived.

[diligentile]

@mrm675 @mrm675 Could you plunder a strong man's house if he were not actually bound? Why do you impose on the Scriptures the idea that Satan is not bound since it is quite clear that the Nations are still very much being deceived.

[diligentile]

@mrm675

Could you plunder a strong man's house if he were not actually bound? Why do you impose on the Scriptures the idea that Satan is not bound since it is quite clear that the Nations are still very much being deceived.

[mrm675]

I don't hear anything in this clip that defeats the Ammillenial position. Do you suppose Jesus was confused when he said: "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."

Now I ask you, Mr. McClarty, who's the strong man, and why did Jesus bind him? What is the effect? Was this a waste of time and effort?

[diligentile]

@mrm675 Could you plunder a strong man's house if he were not actually bound? Why do you impose on the Scriptures the idea that Satan is now bound since it is quite clear that the Nations are still very much being deceived.

[encompasser]

I'll let 2 Corinthians 4:4 solve the issue. ' In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.' So Satan's the god of this world yet is currently bound, shut up, and sealed? Amillenialism is a lie straight out of Catholicism and totally inconsistent with scripture.

[rolysantos]

Was Satan bound when he asked permission to afflict Job? If God had said "no" he could not have afflicted Job. Since God said "Yes, but don't kill him," Satan was bound in that he could only go so far. Yes, Satan was bound at the cross under orders from God that he could not prevent the "nations," the gentiles from believing the gospel and "seeing the light." (2 Cor 4:4).

[rolysantos]

"Think about it logically" yet he is not thinking logically; There was darkness before the resurrection and Satan has always taken people captive to do his will. But, the people walking in darkness have seen a great light (The Gospel) which does free those God has chosen (the elect) from darkness and transfers us into his kingdom of light. Yes, God is sovereign, but Satan is tool in his hand (Isaiah 10). This man does not understand and he leads others astray with his convoluted logic.

[amithp013]

@mrm675 I agree with you. John mentions 3 things about Satan in Rev 20:1-3. 1. He is seized. 2 He is bound. 3 He is thrown in abyss where he is locked and sealed. This passage is saying one and the same thing over and over again that God has put some restrictions on unfettered activities of Satan.

[mikebeange]

If Satan is bound right now, I'd hate to see what the world would be like if he wasn't. Furthermore, how can he be bound and still active? And if he is, what's the purpose of being bound in the first place!?

It says in Rev. 20:3 that he is bound in order to keep him from DECEIVING the nations! Sorry guys, but when I look around I see plenty of deception in this world; especially in the church! So much for being bound. Amillenialism is silly.

[mikebeange]

@theheat151 No I don't. There is nothing heretical about believing the rapture happens BEFORE the tribulation and that the kingdom is a literal earthly kingdom for 1,000 years.

[theheat151]

@mikebeange If you had said that you were Historic Pre-mill, then I would said nothing, but I see that you hold to the heretical eschatology known as Futurism.

[mikebeange]

@theheat151 As far as my personal end-times beliefs are concerned, I am a pre-millennialist who believes in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church. I do not believe in either full covenant OR dispensational theology. I think there is truth in both but not enough to fully support one over the other. I’m sure you will now take plenty of time to mock me for that so knock yourself out.

[mikebeange]

@theheat151Any CALVINIST who believes in Amillenialism is believing in Replacement theology. Because that is what Amillenialism is! Amill teaches that the church has replaced Israel and that is where you get replacement theology from. It's inconsistent with Calvinism! At least an Arminian who believes Amill has a consistent belief system even if it is in error. That is the original point I was trying to make. A Calvinist who believes in Amill has a belief system that contradicts itself.